PFF post mortem - KC

[atlantacowboy]

If you don't like PFF, just do us all a solid and skip the thread. We know its not a perfect grading system. No need to chime in and act like you just discovered a flaw.

Since there was such a disparity between the play of the offense and the play of the defense, i'm going to post the bottom 5 offense scores and the top defensive scores.

Bottom 5 offense:

1. Noah Brown 39.9
2. Cedric Wilson 44.9
3. Steele. 57.7
4. Collins 62.2
5. McGovern 62.8


Top 5 defense

1. Parsons. 90.7
2. Kearse. 80.2
3. Kazee. 74.9
4. Wilson. 74.7
5. Basham 65.0

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Parsons.

 

[INCowboysFan]

If you don't like PFF, just do us all a solid and skip the thread. We know its not a perfect grading system. No need to chime in and act like you just discovered a flaw.

Since there was such a disparity between the play of the offense and the play of the defense, i'm going to post the bottom 5 offense scores and the top defensive scores.

Bottom 5 offense:

1. Noah Brown 39.9
2. Cedric Wilson 44.9
3. Steele. 57.7
4. Collins 62.2
5. McGovern 62.8


Top 5 defense

1. Parsons. 90.7
2. Kearse. 80.2
3. Kazee. 74.9
4. Wilson. 74.7
5. Basham 65.0

Wonder why we couldn't block or catch?

 

[buddieluver]

Wonder why we couldn't block or catch?

Not just that very little separation by Brown and Wilson failure to beat one on one coverage.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Wonder why we couldn't block or catch?

Well, it came down to Chris Jones. He was a one man wrecking ball. Even Zach had trouble with him a few times. The drops I have no idea. Seems Noah and Cedric weren't ready for prime time and thats what separates the good NFL players from those on the margins.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

If you don't like PFF, just do us all a solid and skip the thread. We know its not a perfect grading system. No need to chime in and act like you just discovered a flaw.

Since there was such a disparity between the play of the offense and the play of the defense, i'm going to post the bottom 5 offense scores and the top defensive scores.

Bottom 5 offense:

1. Noah Brown 39.9
2. Cedric Wilson 44.9
3. Steele. 57.7
4. Collins 62.2
5. McGovern 62.8


Top 5 defense

1. Parsons. 90.7
2. Kearse. 80.2
3. Kazee. 74.9
4. Wilson. 74.7
5. Basham 65.0

All statistical grading systems for any metric can be analyzed for flaws since it’s all based on a subjective standard and subjectivity is in the eye of the beholder. What matters is what is the goal of the standard and does the grading system created from that standard reflect the goals the standard wants to achieve. I’ve always liked PFF because the grades line up with what we generally see on the field. Some players might be unfairly gigged, say like Trevon Diggs, who in PFF’s standard gets docked for allowing too much separation when in fact, he plays that way often on purpose because he’s trying to bait the QB.

Still, the system is a good one as far as I’m concerned.

Oh and….

Parsons..

Grand slam pick..

 

[Captain-Crash]

don't leave out the mvp.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

don't leave out the mvp.

Do you still hate him and want him to get injured Mississippi Queen?

 

[atlantacowboy]

All statistical grading systems for any metric can be analyzed for flaws since it’s all based on a subjective standard and subjectivity is in the eye of the beholder. What matters is what is the goal of the standard and does the grading system created from that standard reflect the goals the standard wants to achieve. I’ve always liked PFF because the grades line up with what we generally see on the field. Some players might be unfairly gigged, say like Trevon Diggs, who in PFF’s standard gets docked for allowing too much separation when in fact, he plays that way often on purpose because he’s trying to bait the QB.

Still, the system is a good one as far as I’m concerned.

Oh and….

Parsons..

Grand slam pick..

I agree. I pay to see their stats. I don't think they are perfect but over the course of a season, they align with what we see on the field. Diggs is a good example of a flaw in their system. They haven't figured out a way to weight plays. The play where Diggs gives up seperation but not a catch is not as important as the play where he gets an INT. I don't think their +2 to -2 grading system accounts enough for big plays that change the game.

 

[atlantacowboy]

don't leave out the mvp.

Dak scored a 64....... not an mvp performance.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Dak scored a 64....... not an mvp performance.

dang, oh yeah everybody was hurt on the offensive line. well, one guy, you can't expect MVPs to play and win with one guy hurt, do you? sheesh..

 

[INCowboysFan]

Dak scored a 64....... not an mvp performance.

who were the top 5 on offense?

 

[Creeper]

If you don't like PFF, just do us all a solid and skip the thread. We know its not a perfect grading system. No need to chime in and act like you just discovered a flaw.

Since there was such a disparity between the play of the offense and the play of the defense, i'm going to post the bottom 5 offense scores and the top defensive scores.

Bottom 5 offense:

1. Noah Brown 39.9
2. Cedric Wilson 44.9
3. Steele. 57.7
4. Collins 62.2
5. McGovern 62.8


Top 5 defense

1. Parsons. 90.7
2. Kearse. 80.2
3. Kazee. 74.9
4. Wilson. 74.7
5. Basham 65.0

The decision to move Steele to the left side is looking pretty bad so far. I am a little surprised Biadasz isn't in the bottom 5 but I bet he is close.

We know Wilson can play better. He had a bad day. I don't know that Brown is any better than his grade implies. If CeeDee is out Thursday the Cowboys are in trouble offensively.

 

[atlantacowboy]

who were the top 5 on offense?

Top 5 were Pollard (77.8) , Zach (76.9), Biadez (70.9), Gallup (66.9), Schultz (66.3)

 

[Bigdog]

When your bottom five on offense is 3 OL and 2 Wrs, that is just disaster waiting to happen.

 

[fivetwos]

Brown and Wilson were absolutely horrific, yet it's all on Dak to somehow overcome that.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The decision to move Steele to the left side is looking pretty bad so far. I am a little surprised Biadasz isn't in the bottom 5 but I bet he is close.

We know Wilson can play better. He had a bad day. I don't know that Brown is any better than his grade implies. If CeeDee is out Thursday the Cowboys are in trouble offensively.

I assumed Biadez would score poorly b/c Chris Jones is a DT and dominated the game. But, Biadez wasn't the worst of them and chris jones moved around a lot. They were playing him all over the line.

I look for the offense to get back on track in the warm confines of ATT. This should be a huge game for Pollard.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Brown and Wilson were absolutely horrific, yet it's all on Dak to somehow overcome that.

Its the trend more than this one game. The offense has been pretty bad 3 out of the last 4 games. If you throw out the Atlanta game, we have averaged 15 PPG and have lost 2 of those 3 games. Its a trend you don't want to see in the second half of the season when every game takes on more importance. The good teams and good players rise to the occasion. And yes, we expect a TD out of an offense lead by a guy being touted as an MVP.

 

[fivetwos]

Its the trend more than this one game. The offense has been pretty bad 3 out of the last 4 games. If you throw out the Atlanta game, we have averaged 15 PPG and have lost 2 of those 3 games. Its a trend you don't want to see in the second half of the season when every game takes on more importance. The good teams and good players rise to the occasion. And yes, we expect a TD out of an offense lead by a guy being touted as an MVP.

All very fair.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Brown and Wilson were absolutely horrific, yet it's all on Dak to somehow overcome that.

Rogers was throwing to scrubs and getting a win. So, there's that. Course , that's Rogers, and Dak isn't close to Rogers.