PFF: Why Cowboys should re-sign free agents Greg Hardy, Jeremy Mincey

[Direwolf63]

Talk to the team captains. If Hardy has been a distraction because of his behavior, let him walk. If the media has made too much of it, and the captains say Hardy hasn't been a problem, sign him to a team friendly deal.

Problem solved.

As for Mincey, forget it. You can draft a guy in the 4th round and get similar production he contributed last year.

 

[Stash]

You're beginning to sound and act a bit like Don Quixote "Tilting at Windmills". Garrett will make
the decision of whose on his team this year... ( With Stephen's support of course)

And their record working together is .500. Certainly nothing to brag about or anything to make them beyond reproach as your comment indicated.

 

[Stash]

Hmmmm, the 90's Cowboys made all there team meetings huh? How about the Ravens group or the Giants with Plax Burress known for his promptness. 2010 NY Jets were a train wreck and finished 11-5.

It's all garbage, Hardy is the hardest working practice player and many of his teammates and even coaches have said so. He wasn't the problem, Romo's collorbone and Dez's foot were the issues.

And the actual reports - that the clueless are apparently unaware of or choose to disregard - are stating that Hardy missed or was late for two meetings.

If that's the best case they've got for getting rid of him, that's embarrassing. Disregard Dez Bryant taking up for him, disregard his defensive coordinator parsing his work ethic and future, but oh! late for two meetings! Get him out of here! This team is too fragile to keep a cancer like that around!

 

[darthseinfeld]

0 sacks? You or I can do that!

At some point in time you have to wonder " Why are we burning a 5th round pick on Ryan Russell, only to resign Jeremy Mincey the next year"

 

[LittleD]

And their record working together is .500. Certainly nothing to brag about or anything to make them beyond reproach as your comment indicated.

Not in the least. I think Garrett should have been let go after last year. Jerry gave him a big extension and lots of
money which he decided not to flush. We are stuck with Garrett and the ownership of the Cowboys for the
foreseeable future. Just have to make the best of a bad situation. We've been in this hole for going on 21 years so
in the end, we just have to grin and bare it don't we?

 

[Stash]

At some point in time you have to wonder " Why are we burning a 5th round pick on Ryan Russell, only to resign Jeremy Mincey the next year"

That was another question I had. Last year's 5th rounder was put 'on ice' for the entire season, either inactive (all but one game I think) or put on IR as soon as they had an excuse. If that guy can't match Mincey's 0 sacks, your 5th round pick was a miserable failure.

 

[Stash]

Not in the least. I think Garrett should have been let go after last year. Jerry gave him a big extension and lots of
money which he decided not to flush. We are stuck with Garrett and the ownership of the Cowboys for the
foreseeable future. Just have to make the best of a bad situation. We've been in this hole for going on 21 years so
in the end, we just have to grin and bare it don't we?

I agree. So then, why the snarky comment directed towards Catch?

 

[4lifecowboy]

Hardy, Hanna would be my priorities.

Add McClain to that list

 

[4lifecowboy]

When players complain about another player that's a real issue

And what player(s) were complaining?

 

[darthseinfeld]

That was another question I had. Last year's 5th rounder was put 'on ice' for the entire season, either inactive (all but one game I think) or put on IR as soon as they had an excuse. If that guy can't match Mincey's 0 sacks, your 5th round pick was a miserable failure.

All hail McClay!

 

[Stash]

And what player(s) were complaining?

The only guy I've heard say anything that was less than complimentary is the aforementioned, self-serving, self-promoting, 0 sacks 'Mr. Mince'.

But some fans will take whatever shred of evidence they can and run with it their 'locker room cancer' case against Greg Hardy. And then turn around and scream to draft Joey Bosa at #4 overall for a net loss in talent.

 

[CATCH17]

Educate yourself; he not only showed up late but missed meetings. You don't win with a fractured locker room.

If showing up late to meetings fractures the locker room then we have a really weak group.

 

[Doc50]

If the only issue with Hardy is being late for meetings, that's little reason to let him go and open up a huge need for pass rusher. If that's some deal-breaker and something the team can't deal with, why did they sign him in the first place? He's had a history of it going back to college! If this organization was unaware of that, shame on them!

And how ridiculously hypocritical is it to sign a guy with his baggage - having no problems with that - and then turning around and saying we can't keep him because he's late to a meeting?

Well, a prudent FO would probably not take on his risks without a commitment from him to give 100%. That may have been put in writing.
While a player cannot guarantee performance measurements like sack numbers, he certainly can show up to work and pay attention.

Only the staff knows what was promised and how big of a letdown we experienced. They'll subsequently determine his worth.

 

[StarBoyz83]

The DL is a disaster right now! Really hope dallas hits up FA.

 

[Stash]

Well, a prudent FO would probably not take on his risks without a commitment from him to give 100%. That may have been put in writing.
While a player cannot guarantee performance measurements like sack numbers, he certainly can show up to work and pay attention.

I would think that a prudent front office would do their homework, especially on a player with his reputation and because of the money involved. If they didn't, or they actually expected a different player, shame on them. That's nearly as bad as marrying someone and expecting them to change afterwards.

Only the staff knows what was promised and how big of a letdown we experienced. They'll subsequently determine his worth.

No doubt. Hopefully, they make the wise decision and we're not right back where many of us feared we'd be, switching back from the 3-4 to the 4-3 and scrambling to find a pass rush again.

 

[Stash]

If showing up late to meetings fractures the locker room then we have a really weak group.

It would be a real indictment of 'team leadership' and 'the process' if this was all it took.

Fra-gee-lay! Must be Italian!

 

[RS12]

I thought PFF were bad words around here.

 

[gimmesix]

If the only issue with Hardy is being late for meetings, that's little reason to let him go and open up a huge need for pass rusher. If that's some deal-breaker and something the team can't deal with, why did they sign him in the first place? He's had a history of it going back to college! If this organization was unaware of that, shame on them!

And how ridiculously hypocritical is it to sign a guy with his baggage - having no problems with that - and then turning around and saying we can't keep him because he's late to a meeting?

Being late for meetings can have a greater effect on the team than what a player is involved in outside of the locker room. It shows that that player believes he deserves special standards, and if the team rewards that, then other players might expect special standards too.

Now, that's not a big deal if a coach, like Jimmy Johnson did, establishes that he doesn't treat all players equally, but I don't believe that's been Garrett's MO so far.

I don't see Dallas signing Hardy as saying it had no problems with the choices that made him available. It signed him to give him an opportunity to turn over a new leaf. That he failed to show up for meetings on time when given that opportunity is reason enough to move on from him to other pass rushers out there.

Maybe that issue has been overblown by those who've reported it, though. Since we're not privileged to the locker room, we really don't know. So we'll see where Dallas stands with him. My belief is that the team will move on, but I could easily be wrong.

 

[Doc50]

I would think that a prudent front office would do their homework, especially on a player with his reputation and because of the money involved. If they didn't, or they actually expected a different player, shame on them. That's nearly as bad as marrying someone and expecting them to change afterwards.



No doubt. Hopefully, they make the wise decision and we're not right back where many of us feared we'd be, switching back from the 3-4 to the 4-3 and scrambling to find a pass rush again.

Psychological assessment may elicit life-changing circumstances, which can indicate new-found maturity and expectation of change.
But that's a tricky business when dealing with these young prima donnas, who know what to say in order to land a big contract.
Dependent or antisocial behavior with associated substance abuse or dangerous activity is not likely to change until past the age of 30-40.

 

[Stash]

Being late for meetings can have a greater effect on the team than what a player is involved in outside of the locker room. It shows that that player believes he deserves special standards, and if the team rewards that, then other players might expect special standards too.

If the team does nothing about it, that's on them. I'm not saying he shouldn't face punishment, by all means punish him! Fine him! Suspend him if that doesn't work!

Now, that's not a big deal if a coaches, like Jimmy Johnson did, establishes that he doesn't treat all players equally, but I don't believe that's been Garrett's MO so far.

No. Absolutely nothing that Garrett has done compares to Jimmy Johnson in any way.

I don't see Dallas signing Hardy as saying it had no problems with the choices that made him available. It signed him to give him an opportunity to turn over a new leaf. That he failed to show up for meetings on time when given that opportunity is reason enough to move on from him to other pass rushers out there.

How noble. But let's face reality. They got into bed with him because they needed him and what he brought to the table in terms of pass rush. And if the relationship were to continue, it would be for those same reason and nothing more. If Hardy couldn't rush the passer, nobody would deal with him and he'd be out of the league.

And as far as "other pass rushers out there", there simply aren't any likely to be available. And that's why I would advocate keeping this one. I know he's no saint and a bit of a screwball, but if the worst thing he's done here is being late for two meetings? Yeah, I can live with that rather than opening up a huge hole and worrying about how to fill it.