PFF: Why Cowboys should re-sign free agents Greg Hardy, Jeremy Mincey

[Stash]

Psychological assessment may elicit life-changing circumstances, which can indicate new-found maturity and expectation of change.
But that's a tricky business when dealing with these young prima donnas, who know what to say in order to land a big contract.
Dependent or antisocial behavior with associated substance abuse or dangerous activity is not likely to change until past the age of 30-40.

Even more reason to wonder why anyone would expect this leopard to change his spots, isn't it?

 

[CATCH17]

It would be a real indictment of 'team leadership' and 'the process' if this was all it took.

Fra-gee-lay! Must be Italian!

My opinion...

Dallas is trying to lower his price and they know he won't have many teams wanting his services.

So if some team offers him 7.5,8,9 mill a year over 4 or 5 years then I think Dallas will pass.

If Hardy comes at a incredible value of around 6.5 mill a year or under then I think they bring him back and we hear about how the meeting stuff was overblown and how much of a hard worker he really is.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Too bad we can't see what Randy Gregory is doing inside the hallowed halls of VR. If the Cowboys thought he would be a 10-sack plus guy in 2016, they would gladly dump Hardy and keep Mincey as a backup. If they do not believe he is ready for stardom, Hardy will wear the star in 2016.

They need production out of the RDE. Bottom line. I doubt they draft Bosa or one of the other DEs available in the top ten of the draft. That is, if they stay put. Thus, Hardy, or a combination of Gregory and Mincey, has to be the answer at RDE.

The Cowboys need a pass rush from their d-line. I think it's fair to expect ten sacks from the LDE position, eight sacks from the 3-T and six sacks from the 1-T (anyone but Hayden). The most sacks, though, must come from the RDE position. The Cowboys need to determine where that production is going to come from; Hardy or Mincey and Gregory.

 

[4lifecowboy]

The only guy I've heard say anything that was less than complimentary is the aforementioned, self-serving, self-promoting, 0 sacks 'Mr. Mince'.

But some fans will take whatever shred of evidence they can and run with it their 'locker room cancer' case against Greg Hardy. And then turn around and scream to draft Joey Bosa at #4 overall for a net loss in talent.

That is my biggest problem with not resigning Hardy and to some degree McClain it creates a bigger talent void that essentially neutralizes the value of a high draft pick or free agent because those players are being used to fill a void vs adding more talent.

 

[gimmesix]

How noble. But let's face reality. They got into bed with him because they needed him and what he brought to the table in terms of pass rush. And if the relationship were to continue, it would be for those same reason and nothing more. If Hardy couldn't rush the passer, nobody would deal with him and he'd be out of the league.

And as far as "other pass rushers out there", there simply aren't any likely to be available. And that's why I would advocate keeping this one. I know he's no saint and a bit of a screwball, but if the worst thing he's done here is being late for two meetings? Yeah, I can live with that rather than opening up a huge hole and worrying about how to fill it.

I don't disagree with you. However, I do believe that there was expectation for change. Hardy should have at least been somewhat changed by what he had been through. The team had every right to believe he would be on his best behavior, having received a one-year deal to prove that he was worth a long-term deal.

He'll get another deal somewhere because of his pass rushing ability. I just don't believe it will be in Dallas because he failed to prove he had changed his behavior when he absolutely should have been expected to. If he's given a long-term deal, what can the team expect of him behaviorwise? I don't think Dallas wants to find that out.

I do think they will turn to other vet pass rushers such as JPP, Mario Williams, etc., to supplement their young guys because they just don't know what they've got yet. However, this team has shown in the past that they are willing to roll with unproven players without any kind of reasonable contingency plan.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Add McClain to that list

Not a big fan, but understand why you would be. My concern with him is whether he actually likes to play the game, with Hardy I have no doubt....McClain not so much.

 

[gimmesix]

My opinion...

Dallas is trying to lower his price and they know he won't have many teams wanting his services.

So if some team offers him 7.5,8,9 mill a year over 4 or 5 years then I think Dallas will pass.

If Hardy comes at a incredible value of around 6.5 mill a year or under then I think they bring him back and we hear about how the meeting stuff was overblown and how much of a hard worker he really is.

That's possible. If his price gets down to a range where Dallas is willing to live with his ideosyncracies, then that might lure the team to buy back in.

 

[Rockport]

If showing up late to meetings fractures the locker room then we have a really weak group.

And not showing up at all don't forget. If you don't think that causes problems with players and coaches it just shows how ignorant you are.

 

[Szczepanik]

His impact on Lawrence is far underestimated

 

[Stash]

My opinion...

Dallas is trying to lower his price and they know he won't have many teams wanting his services.

So if some team offers him 7.5,8,9 mill a year over 4 or 5 years then I think Dallas will pass.

If Hardy comes at a incredible value of around 6.5 mill a year or under then I think they bring him back and we hear about how the meeting stuff was overblown and how much of a hard worker he really is.

Totally agree. And I don't fault them for that at all. I actually think it's smart.

 

[Stash]

That is my biggest problem with not resigning Hardy and to some degree McClain it creates a bigger talent void that essentially neutralizes the value of a high draft pick or free agent because those players are being used to fill a void vs adding more talent.

Exactly! For example, say you follow what some fans are advocating- let Hardy walk and draft Bosa at #4 overall. What you've effectively done is use a premium draft pick on a lesser player for a cap savings of about $2 - $3 million.

 

[Stash]

I don't disagree with you. However, I do believe that there was expectation for change. Hardy should have at least been somewhat changed by what he had been through. The team had every right to believe he would be on his best behavior, having received a one-year deal to prove that he was worth a long-term deal.

I had hoped for that too, and it would have been great if that had happened. But the fact that it didn't isn't enough of a deal breaker for me to open up a huge need on this team.

He'll get another deal somewhere because of his pass rushing ability. I just don't believe it will be in Dallas because he failed to prove he had changed his behavior when he absolutely should have been expected to. If he's given a long-term deal, what can the team expect of him behaviorwise? I don't think Dallas wants to find that out.

I think that any future deal - here or otherwise - will be filled with provisions protecting the team and will essentially be a series of one-year deals, very similar to his agreement in 2015.

I do think they will turn to other vet pass rushers such as JPP, Mario Williams, etc., to supplement their young guys because they just don't know what they've got yet. However, this team has shown in the past that they are willing to roll with unproven players without any kind of reasonable contingency plan.

And do we need to go into details about the issues and question marks surrounding either of those players, much easier less what the price tag might be?

 

[DallasDomination]

I would resign Hardy.. I'm on record too. If some players don't like it well tough luck. Jim Mora didn't like Marshal Faulk because his attitude and look how that turned out. Not saying Hardy isn't a dick but hey.. we need a pass rusher. Yeah I know I look like a bad person now. The things I do for my Cowboys

 

[RandyOh]

Bring Hardy back if it's a team friendly deal.

Bring back McClain on a 1 year incentive deal and draft his future replacement in the mid rounds.

If your going to spend big in free agency, then it should be on a Corner. Not throwing all your money at Mario Williams or Jackson. Because great we have another impact player on or slightly above hardy level but our secondary still sucks. So

 

[Doc50]

Even more reason to wonder why anyone would expect this leopard to change his spots, isn't it?

One would likely draw the conclusion from past behavior that the near future looks dim for change, regarding Mr. Hardy.

There is no component of permanent staff or contract personnel involved in the evaluation process that counts against the cap.

It would behoove investors taking risk to do their due diligence.

 

[Stash]

One would likely draw the conclusion from past behavior that the near future looks dim for change, regarding Mr. Hardy.

I agree. So one has to decide if a guy missing or being late for two meetings means enough to open a huge hole on your defensive line and pass rush

There is no component of permanent staff or contract personnel involved in the evaluation process that counts against the cap.

It would behoove investors taking risk to do their due diligence.

I definitely agree. And I would have expected that to have done prior to signing Hardy.

 

[Doc50]

I agree. So one has to decide if a guy missing or being late for two meetings means enough to open a huge hole on your defensive line and pass rush



I definitely agree. And I would have expected that to have done prior to signing Hardy.

Yeah, so that's why I think the 'Boys have closed the book on Harvey; he was worth the risk if he was all in, but he hasn't shown growth and the benefits don't outweigh the risk.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, so that's why I think the 'Boys have closed the book on Harvey; he was worth the risk if he was all in, but he hasn't shown growth and the benefits don't outweigh the risk.

I don't know where they're going to get anyone to replace him.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I'd bring Hardy back.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If Hardy didn't put himself above the team ie: skipping team meetings maybe I would keep him...but allowing him to do that sends the wrong message to the rest of the team especially the younger players....allowing him to do that also screams weak coaching

Never one to defend Hardy, but I do think he's learned his lesson, i.e. being late/skipping team meetings.
I do think he can be of service to the team, but I am also afraid that the FO will just be waiting for the other shoe to fall, as in an altercation somewhere with someone. Guys like this do not change their violent proclivities overnight, mate!
I would prefer that from now on, we rebuild largely through the draft. Pick the best guys as far as deportment and skills and not waste time on the "projects" or those with criminal records during college.