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Scout.com reports that Chargers offensive lineman Kris Dielman will be paid $40 million over six years, with $18 million in guaranteed money.

Dielman will earn $24 million over the first three years of the contract.

...Whats amazing about this deal is how similar it is to what Davis is asking for. Davis is not being crazy but he is only asking for market value. Dielman, Dockery, and Steinbach all got deals that basically gave them about $6.5-$7 million a year and got about $18-26 million guaranteed. It is up to opinion if they are worth it but lets only look at it from Davis perpective. He is only asking what the market says he deserves. As far as his potential and not being motivated, well that is all talk to be disputed in the papers but when you talk about his value as a player then he is only asking what the market is paying.

I have been reading alot of people talk about how crazy he is and he is not going to get that money but I am pretty sure that Jerry is reading about deals just like Davis agent is reading about other deals being done for lineman and he knows his client is right up there with these other guys.

Remember that Davis is really not separate from these guys making the big bucks. Davis has never been arrested like Steinbach has. Davis has never made the Pro Bowl like Dockery and Deilman never have. Plus Davis has started full seasons at guard and tackle so he is definitely more versatile than all three guys and probably has more potential for greatness given his draft status as the #2 pick in a draft.

He kind of reminds you of Flozell Adams before Parcells got here. Flozell was a massive sure fire first round talent that only dropped to the second round because of a hearing disorder. For a few seasons he too underachieved on a bad team with no direction (ala Cardinals).

The Cowboys then hired Parcells and gave FA Adams a new contract. The next season Adams made the Pro Bowl. Adams has now been to three Pro Bowls in his career and he was once considered an underachieving player with no heart. A new coach, a new style, a new contract, and winning turn Flo around and I think it will do the same for Davis.

Sign him Jerry! He is not asking for too much. Only what the market says he is worth. But I think with his age, potential, and versatility, I think he will prove to be worth it.
 

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Dielman and Steinbach are better players to this point of their careers than Davis. They are both probowl type players whether they made the team or not. Guys like Will Shields and Larry Allen always get voted in even though their past their prime. Now Dockery is another matter, the Bills are idiots. But Dockery did have a better year at OG than Davis did at LT.
 

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speedkilz88;1402398 said:
Dielman and Steinbach are better players to this point of their careers than Davis. They are both probowl type players whether they made the team or not. Guys like Will Shields and Larry Allen always get voted in even though their past their prime. Now Dockery is another matter, the Bills are idiots. But Dockery did have a better year at OG than Davis did at LT.
Right, but we're not comparing Davis at LT againt Dockery/Steinbach/Dielman at OG. If you put any of those guys out at LT, I'm sure they wouldn't be hot stuff either.
 

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theogt;1402403 said:
Right, but we're not comparing Davis at LT againt Dockery/Steinbach/Dielman at OG. If you put any of those guys out at LT, I'm sure they wouldn't be hot stuff either.
Thats why the Cowboys are interested in him, that he's better at OG/RT, but when a guy is coming off bad years at LT he isn't going to get the kind of money that young probowl type players are at the same position he's expected to play. Also, Steinbach may actually be expected to play tackle in Cleveland.
 

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theogt;1402403 said:
Right, but we're not comparing Davis at LT againt Dockery/Steinbach/Dielman at OG. If you put any of those guys out at LT, I'm sure they wouldn't be hot stuff either.

Thats a very good point! Davis is a better guard and I think he will prove to be a very good for many years to come. The one thing I want to point out is that Davis was playing for a team that pretty much sucked for years. They put him at LT because they didnt have anyone else to play it. He played for, what, three different coaches in six years!

I just think a new environment is better for him and he will succeed here.
 

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haha, Davis wants that much money?

no thanks, pal
 

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I don't have a clue whether or not Davis is going to sign in Dallas or not. No one else does either. The cliff-jumping amuses me though because nothing has been decided.

Actually, this kind of reminds me of Akin Ayodele last year. He came in for a visit, and fans were happy that the local kid was coming back. He left without signing though and took a few days to think about everything. Eventually, he decided to come to Dallas anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised if Leonard Davis does the exact sort of thing.
 

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I'd sooner pay that to colombo and get a 2nd-3rd tier guard and draft a guy. Davis is not as good as Dielman, Steinbach, etc. No way.
 

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Crown Royal;1402570 said:
I'd sooner pay that to colombo and get a 2nd-3rd tier guard and draft a guy. Davis is not as good as Dielman, Steinbach, etc. No way.

exactly...sign Colombo, lock down that RT spot and get a guy on the first day of the draft.

you don't have to spend the money, you don't have to worry--right off the bat--about work ethic. and the best part is, you can find a good guard outside of the first (typically outside of the first round, actually)

but RT is key. I wouldn't feel good about a rookie at RT...
 

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Gaede;1402631 said:
exactly...sign Colombo, lock down that RT spot and get a guy on the first day of the draft.

you don't have to spend the money, you don't have to worry--right off the bat--about work ethic. and the best part is, you can find a good guard outside of the first (typically outside of the first round, actually)

but RT is key. I wouldn't feel good about a rookie at RT...

I really think McQ would do as well as Columbo did last yr...I'd like to see us keep Columbo, but he isnt a back breaking loss either if he leaves

David
 

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dbair1967;1402640 said:
I really think McQ would do as well as Columbo did last yr...I'd like to see us keep Columbo, but he isnt a back breaking loss either if he leaves

David


What makes you think that? All the playing time big red has had?
 

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dbair1967;1402640 said:
I really think McQ would do as well as Columbo did last yr...I'd like to see us keep Columbo, but he isnt a back breaking loss either if he leaves

David

I kinda agree about Colombo...He's not a great player nor is he particularly reliable (who knows whether this year was a fluke--injury wise). However, he gave us a good solid year, and if he really is over his injury problems, then he can continue to provide the stability we've needed for a long time. He was good for us last year, and after Torrin Tucker, Petitti, Rogers etc...i'd hate for us to lose the only player who didn't completely suck at the spot

as for McQ, who knows? I don't really trust BP's draft choices on the offensive line...but on the other hand, Parcells was really good at drafting late round players
 

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Crown Royal;1402643 said:
What makes you think that? All the playing time big red has had?

he fared pretty well when he played in preseason, and he wasnt playing solely in garbage time against bad players...he had some time with the 1st team against other teams good players, and that was at the LT position

its not unreasonable to expect that after a full offseason of weight room work and more refinement on technique that he cant be ready to play this yr

David
 

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skinsngibbs4life;1402294 said:
with these prices, it's looking like that is going to be a must for the cowboys this offseason...


I agree with you. The prices for these guys are ridiculous, especialyl since alot of them are slightly above average, and nothing more.
 

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Been offline and after a brief scan didn't see it... Ha! Saw it after I posted. :)

Hmmm...the perils of free agency...
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POSTED 2:40 p.m. EST, March 3, 2007

DAVIS WANTS BIG MONEY

Word on the NFL street is that free-agent offensive lineman Leonard "Big" Davis, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2001 draft, is looking for $23 million in guaranteed money.

We're told that the request was made during a visit by Davis to the Cowboys.

Consequently, the visit was a short one.

Hey, if the guy was that good, the Cardinals' line wouldn't have been so bad. And the Cards would have used some of their staggering cap surplus to keep him.

Next up for Davis is the Commanders. But if they weren't ready to pay Derrick Dockery, why would they pay Davis?
 

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dbair1967;1402640 said:
I really think McQ would do as well as Columbo did last yr...I'd like to see us keep Columbo, but he isnt a back breaking loss either if he leaves
I don't know if McQ could do as well as Colombo or not. But I know that signing Colombo buys McQ more time. That can't be an all together bad thing considering he was considered pretty green just a year ago.
 
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dbair1967;1402657 said:
he fared pretty well when he played in preseason, and he wasnt playing solely in garbage time against bad players...he had some time with the 1st team against other teams good players, and that was at the LT position

its not unreasonable to expect that after a full offseason of weight room work and more refinement on technique that he cant be ready to play this yr

David


Its IS UNREASONABLE!!!

The guy dressed maybe 3 games last year and played T in zero. Preseason games mean nothing. If thats how you gauge how someone will fair a year later on a preseason game, then I hope Jamaica Rector comes up big this year!! Oh wait, he is not on the team.

I hope he does contribute at some point down the line, but I hope he isnt forced too. I'd rather see him step in when HE knows he is ready, not when people are telling him he is ready.
 
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