News: PFT: Dez Bryant knew not to negotiate directly with an owner

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To be honest, I think your opinion of Dez as a man is so low that you're willing to believe he's basically a dummy, got lucky as an athlete, and who barely knows his hand from his foot. Every post throughout the negotiation process has led me to believe, you think he needs his hand to be a functional person in society.

Yes, he's had maturity issues, but in no way does that mean he's a dummy, which is what your post implies.

So, in that vein, I'll just say, your post is full of horsecrap. lol

I had a talk with a former OSU teammate right before he SIGNED... trust this guy's opinion deeply. I know Dez & him talk, as I've seen communication through social media

He said Dez is just a kid at heart. He lives & breathes football.....Dez is never going to do anything stupid, just live the life of a young guy making millions.
Make NO mistake, this guy loves Dez.... Said he'd take a team full of Dez's

If this guy trusts Dez, then it's good enough for me to say "live it up & love life"
 

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To be honest, I think your opinion of Dez as a man is so low that you're willing to believe he's basically a dummy, got lucky as an athlete, and who barely knows his hand from his foot. Every post throughout the negotiation process has led me to believe, you think he needs his hand to be a functional person in society.

Yes, he's had maturity issues, but in no way does that mean he's a dummy, which is what your post implies.

So, in that vein, I'll just say, your post is full of horsecrap. lol

If you lived here and listened to local sports talk radio, I think you might understand where I'm coming from. I have that on all day, every day and they dissect every detail of everything related to the Cowboys. They have many people that spend a lot time time with the team. There are many small details that come out that never make it to the internet because many of the details are not a story by themselves, but over time they add up to a lot of nonsense by this particular player.

I don't have any reason to be biased against this player. I never agreed with people that claimed Irvin and Haley were stupid, so it's not as if I'm just prone to "piling on".

Why is it so taboo to admit that some people are just not very intelligent? Should I be offended when someone says that I'm not as athletic as an NFL player?
 

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Athletes were going broke in the 70s and 80s just as frequently as they are today.

You just couldn't follow them then as easily as you can now when they are no longer playing.

Also none of us know what Dez's financial situation is. But let's say it is/was as bad as you character assassins say it is. First of all who cares? Let Dez live his life.

But logically if the situation was as bad as you think... wouldn't he have accepted the deal last year that the Cowboys thought they were close to signing?

It's been WIDELY reported locally that Dez was broke and taking advance loans from the Cowboys. That's not my conjecture; that's what's been reported. And there are multiple instances of guys blowing through $100+ million, whereas guys in the 70s were making $500K or much less for an entire career. Inflation doesn't come close to explaining that.
 

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Yes, I just looked that up last night while watching the show. He's also listed as 6-5, 260.

The first football clip in the intro to the show, is actually of him during his days at the U. He got hurt, and his replacement never left the field, went on to be enshrined in Canton. His replacement? Warren Sapp.
 

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The first football clip in the intro to the show, is actually of him during his days at the U. He got hurt, and his replacement never left the field, went on to be enshrined in Canton. His replacement? Warren Sapp.

Yes, in an interview I saw several years ago, Johnson talked about how he knew when watched Sapp that he knew Sapp was a future NFL player and that he (Johnson) was not.
 

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Yes, in an interview I saw several years ago, Johnson talked about how he knew when watched Sapp that he knew Sapp was a future NFL player and that he (Johnson) was not.

His days in Calgary really showed him that. Can't make it up there....
 

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It's really disturbing, this epidemic of blowing through millions of dollars by today's athletes. It's far too common. So many of the guys in the 70s and 80s managed to build a pretty good life after football with far lesser salaries in comparison.

You'd think the much higher multiples in salaries today would lessen that trend, but instead it seems to be a rapidly growing problem.

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It is one of the most shameful aspects of professional sports today. Many of these players make enough money that, if even they put their money in a modest investment vehicle, they shouldn't have to work a day in their lives again.

But they blow millions and millions of dollars and are broke at the end of their careers. It's absolutely mind-boggling.

As for Dez's comments to Jerry, as the old folks say, "He (Dez) may be dumb, but he aint stupid." ;)
 

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I think it was more about how the Lions managed to pay Calvin Johnson, so why couldn't the Cowboys do the same? Jerry had to explain that the CJ contract was hamstringing the Lions, and that the Cowboys didn't want to be in that position. Dez wasn't buying it.

Man, you've been on fire lately. That's a perspective I didn't consider. Thanks. :)
 

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You've probably heard the theory that you could take all the money in America and distribute it evenly among the population, and within five years it would eventually end up back where it started.

I used to disagree with that theory. Age and experience has shown me that it is absolutely true.

I think there was also a study done about lottery winners and how a majority of them who were poor and in financial strains before they won end up bankrupt. :(
 

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I think there was also a study done about lottery winners and how a majority of them who were poor and in financial strains before they won end up bankrupt. :(

lottery winners and athletes who are not well educated and who come from poor backgrounds are pretty much one and the same. Friends and relatives sponge off of them; suddenly having a lot of money is more than many people can handle sensibly even with better education and environments.

And then there is of course the greed factor of wanting even more. so you invest in extremely risky business adventures that fail.

Athletes actually have less of an excuse because they can see it coming unlike lottery winners. And they have agents to help them out who have a interest in them NOT failing and making the agents look bad.

I have no sympathy for anyone that got millions of dollars and then blew it all. Personal responsibility- I know that is a forbidden term anymore.
 

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Athletes were going broke in the 70s and 80s just as frequently as they are today.

You just couldn't follow them then as easily as you can now when they are no longer playing.

Also none of us know what Dez's financial situation is. But let's say it is/was as bad as you character assassins say it is. First of all who cares? Let Dez live his life.

But logically if the situation was as bad as you think... wouldn't he have accepted the deal last year that the Cowboys thought they were close to signing?

Why should we care?

1. Because financial problems tend to manifest themselves in football matters and result in holdouts and re-negotiations, and that impacts our football team.

2. Because if a person ends up poor, then our collective tax dollars - whether local or federal - go to agencies and programs to get that person back on his feet.

3. Because when a person is poor, they generally can't afford basic health care. Guess who funds the national health care system? Our tax dollars.

4. Because when people are broke they are more likely to become criminals and harm other people either breaking into their homes or robbing them, etc., And they may likely hurt someone who said, "Why should we care?"

5. Because our young men and, in particularly, our young black boys (I'm black) emulate these athletes, and it's society's responsibility to raise a generation of men who can take care of themselves and not have others take care of them.

6. Because, particularly with respect to my heritage, the stereotypes perpetuated about the black male athlete impacts non-athletes who are black. We, unfortunately, have to live with these stereotypes (we're not good money-managers), and these stereotypes tend to be projected on the non-athlete too.

I could go on and on, but I think you get my point. :)
 

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lottery winners and athletes who are not well educated and who come from poor backgrounds are pretty much one and the same. Friends and relatives sponge off of them; suddenly having a lot of money is more than many people can handle sensibly even with better education and environments.

And then there is of course the greed factor of wanting even more. so you invest in extremely risky business adventures that fail.

Athletes actually have less of an excuse because they can see it coming unlike lottery winners. And they have agents to help them out who have a interest in them NOT failing and making the agents look bad.

I have no sympathy for anyone that got millions of dollars and then blew it all. Personal responsibility- I know that is a forbidden term anymore.

I still have sympathy for them, but I see your point.
 

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I think there was also a study done about lottery winners and how a majority of them who were poor and in financial strains before they won end up bankrupt. :(

Yes, that is the perfect example.

I see employees I've had over the years do the absolutely dumbest things in the world with their money. Guys making $30K a year with a wife and kid, and they roll up to work in a new BMW. I had a guy who earned a spot bonus of $3K for some good work, and he built a huge aquarium in his apartment with it. I had a salesperson who went to Mexico to party every time she got a good commission, and yet she's complained constantly about her debt problems and how her late-teen daughters were so irresponsible.

There's rarely any mystery as to where people are in their lives.
 

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Yes, that is the perfect example.

I see employees I've had over the years do the absolutely dumbest things in the world with their money. Guys making $30K a year with a wife and kid, and they roll up to work in a new BMW. I had a guy who earned a spot bonus of $3K for some good work, and he built a huge aquarium in his apartment with it. I had a salesperson who went to Mexico to party every time she got a good commission, and yet she's complained constantly about her debt problems and how her late-teen daughters were so irresponsible.

There's rarely any mystery as to where people are in their lives.

society today does not frown on failure like it used to. Instead you get help and sympathy so why not do it again? Just like you can get away with lying by calling it a misstatement and apologizing publicly. It is always someone elses fault and as long as you can find someone to blame that is not you then society is fine with you and will pile the blame on whoever you want to name.

Actually I think we should bring back debtors prisons.

and public stocks.
 

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Sounds like a smart man to me.

Yep. I've never heard that before but it's very clever and interesting. You expect these young guys to negotiate finances with billionaires, but you don't expect these old billionaires to guard these young guys on the field.
 
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