PFT: Jerry Jones expects owners to opt out of labor deal

[fan62]

Wow, this could sure take the sparkle off of Jerry's Jones Super Bowl Party in his new Stadium.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Probably right.

I have my doubts anything good can come of this.

I hate to ask a stupid question, but why would the players strike if there is no salary cap, I dont get it

Seems like the players would LOVE no salary cap, team like Dallas could drop $100 mill contract on Samuel and never think twice.

This seems to be A VERY GOOD THING for Dallas. With the new stadium, Dallas should easily be the #1 revune team in the NFL.

Would would freaking dominate with no salary cap, how is this a bad thing for us

 

[kmd24]

You can think what you want it does not change the fact that these players are making large amounts of money that they would never see in any other profession. You want to cry for them be my guest but when Millionaires are going on strike then that is a sad day in this country. Oh poor babies can't live off these 30 million guaranteed contracts to play a fricken game? Give me a break. Compare their jobs to any job in America and there is a big difference!!! As for everyone would do it? Walt Garrison didn't he was amazed he was getting paid as much as he was for doing nothing more than playing a game he loved. So yes not everyone is a greedy person

I would agree with you if limiting players' salaries translated to reduced cost for the consumer. But it wouldn't, assuming a rational market. In choosing whether to put those dollars in the pockets of the owners or the players, I'll choose the players every time, so, as ridiculous as it may seem I support their right to strike.

I also personally know a few retired NFL/MLB players (average players, not superstars) and have seen first hand that their standard of living, while much better than the average American, isn't as high as you seem to think. Only a small percentage of players get 30 million guaranteed.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would agree with you if limiting players' salaries translated to reduced cost for the consumer. But it wouldn't, assuming a rational market. In choosing whether to put those dollars in the pockets of the owners or the players, I'll choose the players every time, so, as ridiculous as it may seem I support their right to strike.

I also personally know a few retired NFL/MLB players (average players, not superstars) and have seen first hand that their standard of living, while much better than the average American, isn't as high as you seem to think. Only a small percentage of players get 30 million guaranteed.

If I really thought the players were being hosed and not being paid fair wages then I would side with them but when looking at the contracts these guys get sorry I don't see how they are under paid by any stretch of the imagination. I don't begrudge them the wages they currently make but it will be a cold day in hell when I support millionaires on strike should it come to that. Maybe they should take the free education they got in college and put it to use and see what they could earn, not even a drop in the bucket to what they are hauling in right now. I agree that the owners themselves can be greedy but I don't see these poor players being abused by the system or in what they get paid

 

[Doomsday101]

I hate to ask a stupid question, but why would the players strike if there is no salary cap, I dont get it

Seems like the players would LOVE no salary cap, team like Dallas could drop $100 mill contract on Samuel and never think twice.

This seems to be A VERY GOOD THING for Dallas. With the new stadium, Dallas should easily be the #1 revune team in the NFL.

Would would freaking dominate with no salary cap, how is this a bad thing for us

Players would love that however the Owners interest is in the overall league itself and have worked to bring parity to the NFL without the cap it will be difficult for some markets to keep key players. Could this be good for the Cowboys sure but it may not be good for the league and that has to be a priority for all owners.

 

[kmd24]

If I really thought the players were being hosed and not being paid fair wages then I would side with them but when looking at the contracts these guys get sorry I don't see how they are under paid by any stretch of the imagination. I don't begrudge them the wages they currently make but it will be a cold day in hell when I support millionaires on strike should it come to that. Maybe they should take the free education they got in college and put it to use and see what they could earn, not even a drop in the bucket to what they are hauling in right now. I agree that the owners themselves can be greedy but I don't see these poor players being abused by the system or in what they get paid

You sound jealous.

It's ironic that you position the argument as the player vs. the common man, as though you are somehow standing up for the rights of blue collar workers. In reality, you are siding with putting more money in the pockets of billionaires.

 

[Doomsday101]

You sound jealous.

It's ironic that you position the argument as the player vs. the common man, as though you are somehow standing up for the rights of blue collar workers. In reality, you are siding with putting more money in the pockets of billionaires.

I'm standing up for my own opinion. The owners were rich before they bought the team and will be rich afterwards. The players are being paid very good wages it is not as if they are barely getting by. You are right I think it is a joke to compare any pro athlete, actor or singer to the common working man. I don't begrudge them their money but I clearly do not want to hear them whine and complain about what they get paid, if they don't like it hell go get a regular job I can promise you they would crawling back on their knees for a chance to have the wealth and fame they currently experience. If you feel different that is your opinion.

 

[kmd24]

I'm standing up for my own opinion. The owners were rich before they bought the team and will be rich afterwards. The players are being paid very good wages it is not as if they are barely getting by. You are right I think it is a joke to compare any pro athlete, actor or singer to the common working man. I don't begrudge them their money but I clearly do not want to hear them whine and complain about what they get paid, if they don't like it hell go get a regular job I can promise you they would crawling back on their knees for a chance to have the wealth and fame they currently experience. If you feel different that is your opinion.

I respect your right to your opinion. I was simply trying to get you to see things through a different perspective.

I fail to understand why anyone would think the owners have the right to unilaterally decide what money the players are entitled to, particularly when the players make the league. The only leverage that the players have is the threat of a strike, yet they should be denied that or villified for following through? It's illogical, but you are entitled to it as an opinion.

 

[burmafrd]

Its called private enterprise. the owners have a right to do what they want and the players have a right to accept it or strike. I have no real sympathy for the players anymore since they ALL make plenty of money. None for the owners either. I think if Bidwell and Benson and WIlson and some others are dumb enough to screw up the best operating professional sports league in the world then they will be the ones to pay the price in the end since the deep pocket owners will bury them.

 

[Stash]

I think an easy way to put things into perspective is to take a serious look at the amount of money a player makes compared to the amounts that owners make.

And after you're done, ask yourself if there's any chance that the people paying this bill (us) will ever somehow get a discount?

 

[notherbob]

You guys all make good points but for me, I'm just losing interest in football, probably because I'm now beyond retirement age and values change as you slide into geezerdom. I'm not sure I'll be caring much by that time, anyway.

Fortunately, I won't be posting so much anymore, mostly an occasional lurk.

 

[Doomsday101]

I respect your right to your opinion. I was simply trying to get you to see things through a different perspective.

I fail to understand why anyone would think the owners have the right to unilaterally decide what money the players are entitled to, particularly when the players make the league. The only leverage that the players have is the threat of a strike, yet they should be denied that or villified for following through? It's illogical, but you are entitled to it as an opinion.

Because the Owners are the ones paying out the big money. Look as I said if I felt these poor players were underpaid and being treated unfairly then I may have a different view point but I don't think they are underpaid and I don't think they have been treated unfairly. They get paid damn good money to play a game, we can call it a business all we want but in the end it is still a game, it is entertainment.

I have no issue with them making big money but sorry I'm not going to side with them when they start their whining over wanting more and more for all I care they can use their college education and seek a real job and see how they like that. As for the player if they choose to go on strike as I said I hope the Owners stand together and break the union.

They damn near did it last time as many big name players crossed the line because in the end they knew there is not a big paying job out there like they already have.

You call my view point illogical yet I find yours illogical in how could anyone stand there watching Millionaires going on strike and feel sorry for them? Sorry I don't get that point of view at all, without the NFL these players live style is no where close to what they have right now.

 

[Hostile]

You guys all make good points but for me, I'm just losing interest in football, probably because I'm now beyond retirement age and values change as you slide into geezerdom. I'm not sure I'll be caring much by that time, anyway.

Fortunately, I won't be posting so much anymore, mostly an occasional lurk.

That kind of sucks Bob. Hope you get your NFL batteries recharged and stick around.

 

[burmafrd]

I know that once I lose interest in the Boys the 6 X 2 farm is right around the corner.

 

[kmd24]

You call my view point illogical yet I find yours illogical in how could anyone stand there watching Millionaires going on strike and feel sorry for them? Sorry I don't get that point of view at all, without the NFL these players live style is no where close to what they have right now.

I don't feel sorry for them at all. I just understand that they have one and only one tool for bargaining, and that is their ability to refuse to work.

You think they should be villified for striking because of the magnitude of their salaries, but they likely wouldn't be making millions without the major changes in the labor agreements - changes that likely wouldn't have occurred without the threat of strikes.

I have a feeling that there is some salary level at which you might feel the players were justified in striking. What is it? 250K? 100K? Whatever the number is, you should realize that it is arbitrary.

NFL players are elite in their field. Their income is comparable to elites in other endeavors - doctors, lawyers, actors, traders, investment bankers - but they have a much smaller window for earning such salaries when compared to those other professions and much less capacity for influencing the rate at which they are paid.

The players and the owners have what amounts to a partnership, and the issue at hand is the fair division of the profits among the partners, not whether a person earning a seven-digit salary should have the right to ask for more money. Sure, the players might not be able to make the same salary outside of football, but the owners stand to lose a very profitable business if they let it get watered down by using less-than-elite players. Both sides have incentive to negotiate.

Larry Page and Sergey Brin founded Google as equal partners. Would you think it fair if Page had the ability to unilaterally set the value of Brin's ownership at, say, $30 million when the market cap of the company is over $100 billion? You might not feel sorry for Brin, the multimillionaire, but you could hardly begrudge the guy for following channels to get his fair share.

I'm not suggesting you should feel sorry for the players, merely that you ought not begrudge them for using the only vehicle available to them to determine their fair share.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't feel sorry for them at all. I just understand that they have one and only one tool for bargaining, and that is their ability to refuse to work.

You think they should be villified for striking because of the magnitude of their salaries, but they likely wouldn't be making millions without the major changes in the labor agreements - changes that likely wouldn't have occurred without the threat of strikes.

I have a feeling that there is some salary level at which you might feel the players were justified in striking. What is it? 250K? 100K? Whatever the number is, you should realize that it is arbitrary.

NFL players are elite in their field. Their income is comparable to elites in other endeavors - doctors, lawyers, actors, traders, investment bankers - but they have a much smaller window for earning such salaries when compared to those other professions and much less capacity for influencing the rate at which they are paid.

The players and the owners have what amounts to a partnership, and the issue at hand is the fair division of the profits among the partners, not whether a person earning a seven-digit salary should have the right to ask for more money. Sure, the players might not be able to make the same salary outside of football, but the owners stand to lose a very profitable business if they let it get watered down by using less-than-elite players. Both sides have incentive to negotiate.

Larry Page and Sergey Brin founded Google as equal partners. Would you think it fair if Page had the ability to unilaterally set the value of Brin's ownership at, say, $30 million when the market cap of the company is over $100 billion? You might not feel sorry for Brin, the multimillionaire, but you could hardly begrudge the guy for following channels to get his fair share.

I'm not suggesting you should feel sorry for the players, merely that you ought not begrudge them for using the only vehicle available to them to determine their fair share.

If they go on strike screw them I would hope the owners stick together and break their union, sometimes people don't know when they have it damn good. If they can't figure that out then go to the CFL or use you big degree that you got in college and go earn a living that way. So yes if the players are dumb enough to go on strike I hope they lose their butts. As I said before I'm not pro union if you are then fine.

 

[kmd24]

As I said before I'm not pro union if you are then fine.

I'm neither pro- nor anti-union. Just kicking around a few ideas. Cheers.

 

[DWhite Fan]

I'm neither pro- nor anti-union. Just kicking around a few ideas. Cheers.

Isn't this situation just another version of the "chicken or the egg" arguement?
Without the players, the owners would have not product to sell. Without the owners, the players would have no stage on which to perform.
The is only one thing I am certain to come outta all this. We, the fans, are gonna get to pay more for tickets, gear, etc.
The owners and players will settle their differences eventually and we will foot the bill

 

[dogunwo]

I would like to see the draft process change. I don't like it that the first 5 players drafted (particularly the #1 player selected) gets such a huge contract that now most teams don't even want to trade up to get that pick cause the financial cost (along with number of picks needed) is outrageaous. No player in college is worth $35M-$65M before he has even put on his uniform. It's enough to handicap a team and some of that money could be spent on keeping more vet backups to ensure more depth on the team.

Very well said man. Very well said

 

[FCBarca]

A strike is the first thing that will happen.

Definitely.

So what would that mean on when it would happen, 2009 or 2010?