PFT: League admits Face-Guarding Screw Up

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POSTED 10:26 a.m. EST; UPDATED 11:17 a.m. EST, January 26, 2007
LEAGUE ADMITS FACE-GUARDING SCREW UP

In response to an item in our Conference Championship Ten-Pack regarding a key pass interference call on Patriots cornerback Ellis Hobbs that allowed the Colts to complete an 18-point comeback and knot the game at 21, a member of PFT Planet has alerted us to a January 25, 2007 "Q&A" on Jaguars.com in which Vic Ketcham writes that the NFL has acknowledged that a bad call was made.

Writes Ketcham, in response to a question that chastised him for suggesting that face-guarding is still forbidden:

"Face-guarding was discontinued several years ago and I completely missed it. I talked to Dean Blandino in the league office and he confirmed what you're saying. Blandino, by the way, was in the replay booth at the Patriots-Colts game. Ellis Hobbs should not have been flagged for pass-interference. He didn't make contact with the receiver and in no way did Hobbs impede Reggie Wayne's ability to catch the pass. Blandino confirmed that the incorrect call was made. It advanced the ball from the Patriots' 19-yard line to the one-yard line and was the big play in a touchdown drive that led to a two-point conversion and a tie game at 21-21. Referee Bill Carollo made no reference to face-guarding in his explanation, but CBS analyst Phil Simms did. Apparently, he, too, doesn't know the rule no longer exists. The next time you hear a TV analyst say, 'he wasn’t playing the ball,' think of the Hobbs play, then turn down the sound."

Make no mistake about it, it was a key call. And, to their credit, we haven't heard a public peep from the "no class" Pats about the play.

Gee, what would Napolian have done if that phantom flag had been thrown on a member of the Colts' defense?
 

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and adam jt13 should take a bow.

he was spot on right from the first second about this.
 

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I think most of us knew that was the case from Newmans play that was discussed earlier in the year when he did it and was not called.

It was discussed fully!

And I think it was Adam that set us straight then!
 

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anything the league can do to help Payton Manning win a SB ring....they will gladly do...they've already changed rules to help him...
they may have to actually just tell the other team that the game is somewhere other than where it really is and just call a forfeit so Payton can get a ring and the NFL can ride Payton the way the NBA rode Jordan...which is truly their aspiration
 

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theebs;1340027 said:
and adam jt13 should take a bow.

he was spot on right from the first second about this.

...and we have yet to here a peep from the "no class" adamjt13 about the call. :)

Sorry couldn't help it.
 

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godofwar;1340106 said:
...and we have yet to here a peep from the "no class" adamjt13 about the call. :)

Sorry couldn't help it.


who called him no class?
 

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A league apology and $5 will get you a nice Venti Caramel Macchiato Latte at Starbucks. We got one after Super Bowl XIII following the Swearingen/Stealers phantom PI-makes me feel good too :rolleyes:
 

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theebs;1340027 said:
and adam jt13 should take a bow.

he was spot on right from the first second about this.

isn't that always the case???

amongst the truths in my life, one is do not argue with adamjt13.

that guy is stephen jones, I swear it:)~
 

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ghst187;1340089 said:
anything the league can do to help Payton Manning win a SB ring....they will gladly do...they've already changed rules to help him...
they may have to actually just tell the other team that the game is somewhere other than where it really is and just call a forfeit so Payton can get a ring and the NFL can ride Payton the way the NBA rode Jordan...which is truly their aspiration

Baloney... Indy is now even with NE as far as PI game altering uncalled penalties go. Remember when Ty Law held Harrison during the AFC Championship game in NE when they played in the snow... 5 yard rule my foot. Can't remember the year... 03 or 04. Don't hate... they're even.:laugh1:
 

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tow words: Tuck Rule.

The pats got evey other bad call go their way inthat game. It was clear the NFL was trying ot give them the game, so Tom Brady can go scratch his official's ***. Enough said!

**
 

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The refs never called face guarding on the field. Simms said it during the game and some other analysts said the same afterwards, but I don't recall the refs saying that was the call. The refs may have seen something else in real time that they thought was pass interference, but it was media guys that jumped up claiming face guarding. There did not appear to be much if any contact to warrant a P.I. call, so it was in my opinion a bad call. The refs later blew a no call when Indy's DB pushed the Pats' receiver twice in the endzone.
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;1340133 said:
tow words: Tuck Rule.

The pats got evey other bad call go their way inthat game. It was clear the NFL was trying ot give them the game, so Tom Brady can go scratch his official's ***. Enough said!

**

It is a strange rule, but it was in place before that single play against the Raiders. The refs made the right call on that night.
 

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aardvark;1340132 said:
Baloney... Indy is now even with NE as far as PI game altering uncalled penalties go. Remember when Ty Law held Harrison during the AFC Championship game in NE when they played in the snow... 5 yard rule my foot. Can't remember the year... 03 or 04. Don't hate... they're even.:laugh1:

I'm not complaining about calls, I'm complaining about the league's (and all sports media's) obsession with the choker (Wo-)Manning. It'll be the same effect Jordan had on the NBA, ruining it.

No Manning should ever win anything...I think that should be a rule.
 

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It appears that we have yet another illustration of how overly complex pass interference rules jeapordize the integrity of the game.
 

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ZeroClub;1340164 said:
It appears that we have yet another illustration of how overly complex pass interference rules jeapordize the integrity of the game.

Indeed, and later in the game the exact same thing happend to Caldwell in the endzone with no call.
 

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Why is it so hard to have a rule about Pass Interference?

For years the NFL had the face guarding rule and defenders had to play the ball, etc. Why would they have wanted to change that rule?
 

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ok, now as an OU alum I'm still a little sore about the Oregon debacle...but it happens over and over elsewhere too....: the officials egregiously blow a CRUCIAL, game-altering call.....the call swings the game in the other team's favor and then after the game...the league comes out and says "sorry" to the team that got screwed. And that's it...no compensation...no efforts to make it right.
You can name this particular call against NE, you can recall last year's SB and Seattle's hosejob...the list goes on....where's the justice? Where's the compensation or fix?
I have to think that "sorry you got screwed egregiously and everyone at home could see the right call but our paid and trained officials couldn't and you lost the game because of it, sorry, good luck next year" just doen't seem to cut it.
 

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CaptainAmerica;1340174 said:
Why is it so hard to have a rule about Pass Interference?

For years the NFL had the face guarding rule and defenders had to play the ball, etc. Why would they have wanted to change that rule?

Because it was a dumb rule. Well, at least I never liked it. If the defender is not touching the receiver, why not be able to just put his hands in the air. Is turning their head that important even if they aren't touching the receiver? Pass interference should be limited to contact in my opinion.
 

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The games are officiated so badly anyway I don't see it as anything more than just another bad call. How many times have you see holding calls, non calls etc.

How many points are scored in every game that had a penalty no call that should have been?

And on the catch or no catch thing, soon a WR will have to catch the ball and lock it it a box to make it a completed catch.
 

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theebs;1340108 said:
who called him no class?

Good Lord, man! It's sarcasm. I was making an analogy comparing the Pat's to Adam. I don't think what the Patriot's did post game (San Diego) indicated a lack of class in any way. By not speaking out about the missed call, they serve to back up their up-till-now classy reputation.

Adamjt13 is an undisputedly respected poster here by me, and a throng of other posters. He is almost always (in my estimation) right in his arguments. I never see him in here thumping his chest when his arguments prove to be true, and he hasn't at least up to now done that in this thread. Therein lies the comparison. Both can be called classy. Both have been vindicated recently is some regard. Neither has felt the need to air to the world how they were once wronged.

Maybe you have been derided a bit lately for some of your opinions. I don't know. I consider you a terrific poster, and of great value to the board. I think you may be a tad touchy because of the recent derision.

In the future I will do more to inidicate sarcasm in my posts. Maybe I need more quotation marks to set off what I think are obvious witticisms, and increase my use of smilies. I will also do more to create more obvious parallels. Yes, the above is sarcasm. :D

I do not mean this in any way to be dericive to you.
 
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