News: PFT: Marriott tries to dismiss Michael Irvin's lawsuit, claims he made "harassing and inappropriate comments"

[Rayman70]

society has really devolved, all curmudgeons are welcome I see. What we need is civility and decency. that stuff can't be legislated...it either IS or isn't. Right now, sadly...it isn't.

 

[CouchCoach]

Why would we assume the claims weren’t true?

Because Irvin said they're not true. He can't remember but he is sure they're not true.

 

[kskboys]

society has really devolved, all curmudgeons are welcome I see. What we need is civility and decency. that stuff can't be legislated...it either IS or isn't. Right now, sadly...it isn't.

Yup. Not saying this is such, but there are way too many witch hunts happening today.

 

[Merlin]

Yes, it is a huge issue and you refuse to consider the effect of that on a jury. Can't remember because I had a few drinks and hiding out. I think it got him sent home and will blow up in his face should this go to trial.

Whatever was communicated to the NFLN was done Monday morning, what were they doing until Wednesday morning? And we never heard Irvin say he spoke with anyone at the NFLN. Who communicated with Irvin from the NFLN and what was he told?

Some are trying to make this into the woman was out to get Irvin and the hotel was complicit. Does that even make sense?

Know what I think? Don't care going to tell you anyway cuz I like you.

I think this is all about Irvin's over-inflated ego and how dare they move him out of the SB hotel. He's always behaved like he was above it all, do whatever he wants and to hell with the collateral damage.

Now, we may very well find out the hotel was sold out and the manager seized upon the opportunity to move him out so he could move his sister, Eunice, a cosmetologist from Taos, NM with two annoying children out of his guestroom and into the hotel.

You thinking the call is a big issue tells me you really don't understand what the lawsuit is about. Shocking

 

[CouchCoach]

society has really devolved, all curmudgeons are welcome I see. What we need is civility and decency. that stuff can't be legislated...it either IS or isn't. Right now, sadly...it isn't.

Decent isn't a word I would associate with the plaintiff in this case. That is my entire reasoning for not believing him.

History matters and I have a hard time buying Irvin as the injured party.

Society has always been this way, we just know more about what society does these days.

 

[Reid1boys]

I have started to ignore the ones that don't really care what happened. It don't matter what you tell them. They got some crazy excuse and they are not interested in the facts.

Unfortunately, the guy Im speaking to obviously has something in his past dealing with sexual abuse of some kind, He did the same thing when Zeke was accused, hes done the same villifying Jerry over his "Love child." all the while knowing no actual facts. He hates Jerry and so therefore anyone that accuses him of anything bad, he jumps on the bandwagon and runs with it. I can handle all of that, but when the guy wants to personally attack my character that is where he has crossed a line that I am just tired of.

Attack my opinions al you want, but stay away from me personally... or just go away. You do as I do, you view this thing from facts, law, and knowing none of any of what we know now means anything. The only thing that will matter is when they are all in front of lawyers. I have no problem speculating, as has been stated, this is an opinion forum, it is kind of what we do here. BUt for a guy that I have been speaking to online for probably a decade to attack my character just really set me off.

 

[CouchCoach]

You thinking the call is a big issue tells me you really don't understand what the lawsuit is about. Shocking

I do but what we do not know is why did the NFLN send him home? Was it the allegation or was it the call in?

And if not for that call, outing himself, is this even an issue? The hotel didn't talk publicly, the woman didn't talk publicly and the NFLN didn't talk publicly but one person did.

We do not even know if they told Irvin to cool his heels until they got back to him and he decided to make that call against their better judgment. Once that call was made, their hands were tied and he had to be sent home.

 

[Rayman70]

Decent isn't a word I would associate with the plaintiff in this case. That is my entire reasoning for not believing him.

History matters and I have a hard time buying Irvin as the injured party.

Society has always been this way, we just know more about what society does these days.

thats just rotten. Its a case by case basis.What if it was your son or daughter in Michaels shoes..or my kids? Would you still feel that way? I know I would want fairness. Yes its fine to be a skeptic, I am as well..but thus far, we have little to nuthin to pin on him. Im not understanding the veiled 88 meanness. All people should be judged according to the present, not their past. As a Christian, I just can't be the judge and jury. Its not who I am. I forgive his past actions and he paid a dear price. Everyone would be in jail under your way of thinking because we are all flawed in some way. Common sense and the facts must rule, not feelings. Take emotions away from this and lets wait for the tape.

 

[Diehardblues]

Because Irvin said they're not true. He can't remember but he is sure they're not true.

Of course . What was I thinking . Lol

 

[Merlin]

I do but what we do not know is why did the NFLN send him home? Was it the allegation or was it the call in?

And if not for that call, outing himself, is this even an issue? The hotel didn't talk publicly, the woman didn't talk publicly and the NFLN didn't talk publicly but one person did.

We do not even know if they told Irvin to cool his heels until they got back to him and he decided to make that call against their better judgment. Once that call was made, their hands were tied and he had to be sent home.

You don't think it matters what was communicated to the NFL Network and ESPN and whether it was true or not. Lol. My goodness. Smh

 

[CouchCoach]

Unfortunately, the guy Im speaking to obviously has something in his past dealing with sexual abuse of some kind, He did the same thing when Zeke was accused, hes done the same villifying Jerry over his "Love child." all the while knowing no actual facts. He hates Jerry and so therefore anyone that accuses him of anything bad, he jumps on the bandwagon and runs with it. I can handle all of that, but when the guy wants to personally attack my character that is where he has crossed a line that I am just tired of.

Attack my opinions al you want, but stay away from me personally... or just go away. You do as I do, you view this thing from facts, law, and knowing none of any of what we know now means anything. The only thing that will matter is when they are all in front of lawyers. I have no problem speculating, as has been stated, this is an opinion forum, it is kind of what we do here. BUt for a guy that I have been speaking to online for probably a decade to attack my character just really set me off.

Reid, I agree about the character issue and posted a warning about it. Whether posters think he's innocent or guilty does not set their character.

And some want him to be innocent because they like him and that's just as OK as me not doing that because I do not like him.

 

[Rayman70]

Unfortunately, the guy Im speaking to obviously has something in his past dealing with sexual abuse of some kind, He did the same thing when Zeke was accused, hes done the same villifying Jerry over his "Love child." all the while knowing no actual facts. He hates Jerry and so therefore anyone that accuses him of anything bad, he jumps on the bandwagon and runs with it. I can handle all of that, but when the guy wants to personally attack my character that is where he has crossed a line that I am just tired of.

Attack my opinions al you want, but stay away from me personally... or just go away. You do as I do, you view this thing from facts, law, and knowing none of any of what we know now means anything. The only thing that will matter is when they are all in front of lawyers. I have no problem speculating, as has been stated, this is an opinion forum, it is kind of what we do here. BUt for a guy that I have been speaking to online for probably a decade to attack my character just really set me off.

Well said man. Like I said, lets see the dang tape. Being butt hurt isn't against the law nor is it a crime by which a guy or gal should lose their entire lives. We need civility.

 

[Rayman70]

You don't think it matters what was communicated to the NFL Network and ESPN and whether it was true or not. Lol. My goodness. Smh

these folks just want to chum the water. Its nuts.

 

[Rayman70]

Reid, I agree about the character issue and posted a warning about it. Whether posters think he's innocent or guilty does not set their character.

And some want him to be innocent because they like him and that's just as OK as me not doing that because I do not like him.

fair. I want whatever needs to be ruled, RULED but fairly..with all my bias set aside. FACTS matter here. Release the tape.

 

[Diehardblues]

thats just rotten. It’s a case by case basis.What if it was your son or daughter in Michaels shoes..or my kids? Would you still feel that way? I know I would want fairness. Yes it’s fine to be a skeptic, I am as well..but thus far, we have little to nuthin to pin on him. Im not understanding the veiled 88 meanness. All people should be judged according to the present, not their past. As a Christian, I just can't be the judge and jury. It’s not who I am. I forgive his past actions and he paid a dear price. Everyone would be in jail under your way of thinking because we are all flawed in some way. Common sense and the facts must rule, not feelings. Take emotions away from this and let’s wait for the tape.

You can’t separate emotions .

We have to at least view what it must be like for women to be a subject of sexual misconduct . The initial concern is always with the one being violated not the suspect who will have an opportunity to defend themselves .

And history does play a large role . It’s 101 in investigation. You look for repeat offenders .

If the accuser has a history of making false claims then that will be factored in as well.

No doubt just because Irvin has multiple sexual misconduct incidents doesn’t mean this is another . But I’d argue it certainly wouldn’t bode well for him. And I’m not sure why we wouldn’t at least initially be more inclined to believe the employee instead of him .

 

[Rayman70]

You can’t separate emotions .

We have to at least view what it must be like for women to be a subject of sexual misconduct . The initial concern is always with the one being violated not the suspect who will have an opportunity to defend themselves .

And history does play a large role . It’s 101 in investigation. You look for repeat offenders .

If the accuser has a history of making false claims then that will be factored in as well.

No doubt just because Irvin has multiple sexual misconduct incidents doesn’t mean this is another . But I’d argue it certainly wouldn’t bode well for him. And I’m not sure why we wouldn’t at least initially be more inclined to believe the employee instead of him .

we must. Civility is the key 2 seeking the truth. It can be done.

 

[CouchCoach]

thats just rotten. Its a case by case basis.What if it was your son or daughter in Michaels shoes..or my kids? Would you still feel that way? I know I would want fairness. Yes its fine to be a skeptic, I am as well..but thus far, we have little to nuthin to pin on him. Im not understanding the veiled 88 meanness. All people should be judged according to the present, not their past. As a Christian, I just can't be the judge and jury. Its not who I am. I forgive his past actions and he paid a dear price. Everyone would be in jail under your way of thinking because we are all flawed in some way. Common sense and the facts must rule, not feelings. Take emotions away from this and lets wait for the tape.

That depends on what the history of my daughter or son's behavior was but that doesn't mean I would not support them but that is family and he is not family.

Hard to ignore what you know about people and I know more about Irvin's behavior than I want to know but the guys I know at ESPN Radio enlightened me when he was fired from there and I found new disrespect for him as a man. So, this isn't just about me not liking him because he's an irritating loudmouth amateur on the NFLN.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Wether its a public figure or just a normal guy it shouldn't matter and "benefit of the doubt" nor "Past wrongs" should not matter either, the system we use is suppose to be case by case with facts that prove a case being the determining factor in the ruling. I dont think #88 should be guilty or not guilty based on who he is, i think if you accuse someone of a wrong you need to be able to prove they did what you said they did because thats the system we use in this country ( well suppose to be the system). Again there will be cases of "He said she said" that may be hard to prove but if we swing the other way in my eyes that is a worse way for our society.

 

[Rayman70]

Yup. Not saying this is such, but there are way too many witch hunts happening today.

bingo. I know exactly what ya mean.

 

[Reid1boys]

Decent isn't a word I would associate with the plaintiff in this case. That is my entire reasoning for not believing him.

History matters and I have a hard time buying Irvin as the injured party.

Society has always been this way, we just know more about what society does these days.

From Wikipedia:

Fabricated sexual assault allegation against Irvin[edit]​

In 1996, as the Cowboys prepared to play the Carolina Panthers in the NFC Divisional Playoff game, media reports stated that Irvin and teammate Erik Williams, while under the influence of cocaine, had sexually assaulted a Dallas Cheerleader, Nina Shahravan, and, with a gun to her head, videotaped the interaction.

Despite Williams' and Irvin's denials of the allegations, the story largely overshadowed the game, which the Cowboys lost. The accuser was later proven to have fabricated the entire incident. She recanted her story, pled guilty to perjury and filing a false police report, and was sentenced to 90 days in jail and a fine.[15] In the game against Carolina, Irvin was injured in the opening minutes and did not return.

Remember the Duke Lacross team? This stuff happens and I suspect it happens more than we know. Unfortunately, Michael Irvin is a rock star out in public and he is far toready to chat with fans and take pictures and even have a drink with them. He should start staying away from those he doesnt know well. Now why would that lady possibly make up those allegations against Irvin? Some on here immediately believe the accuser because they have no reason to make stuff up....well? I didnt even remember this thing happening.