PFT: New 'New Spiking' rule needs work

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NEW 'NO SPIKING' RULE NEEDS WORK by Michael David Smith

One of the NFL's new rules this season is a five-yard delay of game penalty on any player who spikes the ball on any non-scoring play. Yesterday Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey and Cowboys wide receiver Terrell Owens were both flagged for violating the rule.

The rule itself doesn't seem like a big deal, but it's clear from the way the rule was enforced (and not enforced) yesterday that the league didn't do a good enough job of thinking through the ramifications of the rules change.

Shockey committed his spike (actually, it was more like using one hand to bat the ball out of his other hand, but whatever) after a 14-yard catch on third-and-4. Packers defensive end Aaron Kampman had jumped offside on the play, and the officials ruled that the penalties offset, meaning they would re-play third-and-4.

Although NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tells me via e-mail that it was enforced properly, it seems like a strange way to enforce it. Shockey's penalty happened after the play was over, so the Giants should have been allowed to decline the offside, take the result of the play, and then have Shockey's penalty enforced prior to the next play, not as part of the previous play.

That's how it worked with the Owens spike, which he committed after a 28-yard catch on third-and-15. Owens' catch counted, but the Cowboys were moved back five yards from the spot where Owens was tackled.

Essentially, the way this rule is enforced means the Dolphins would have been much better off if they had committed a penalty on the play where Owens got his 28-yard catch.

Meanwhile, Patriots receiver Wes Welker spiked the ball after a catch against the Chargers last night, in plain view of at least one official, and there was no penalty. Aiello says, "it's a judgment call and the crew did not believe it was blatant enough to be penalized."

If the rule can't be enforced uniformly and in a way that everyone can understand, the league shouldn't have added it.
 

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theogt;1650978 said:
It's ridiculous and should be completely abolished.

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Fact.
 

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theogt;1650978 said:
It's ridiculous and should be completely abolished.

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Unless it's completely BLATANT, it shouldn't be called. And if it's that blatant, it should be a taunting penalty, not "Delay of game".


It's a pathetic rule. Yet another aspect of the game for the refs to screw up.
 

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hey pro football talk is stealing my thunder..

they must have someone who reads this board...seriously they used the exact examples as me, what are the chances of that...

no doubt in my mind that crew in ny blew it and now they are covering their behinds.
 

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Meanwhile, Patriots receiver Wes Welker spiked the ball after a catch against the Chargers last night, in plain view of at least one official, and there was no penalty. Aiello says, "it's a judgment call and the crew did not believe it was blatant enough to be penalized."
I'm completely shocked the refs missed that.
 

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JPM;1651031 said:
I'm completely shocked the refs missed that.

I admit I was hollering at the TV set when they did not call it. You could see that Welker even realized he messed up when he did it but none the less it should have been called.
 

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Another one that should bite the dust is the horsecollar rule

Did anyone hear those stupid broadcasters saying, that Roy horsecollard (brown or Chatman). Then after the replay saying wel since he put his shoulder down first, i guess it might not be a horse collar

I hate people :banghead:
 

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dargonking999;1651070 said:
Another one that should bite the dust is the horsecollar rule

Did anyone hear those stupid broadcasters saying, that Roy horsecollard (brown or Chatman). Then after the replay saying wel since he put his shoulder down first, i guess it might not be a horse collar

I hate people :banghead:

Horsecollaring should be fair game if the defender is stiff-armed.
 

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Did Owens actually "spike" the ball or was it more of one of those throw it down and make it spin kinda things?
 

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jman;1651147 said:
Did Owens actually "spike" the ball or was it more of one of those throw it down and make it spin kinda things?

he threw it down to make it spin
 

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Stupid rule....just like the horse collar rule....

Just dumb...

I believe in the taunting rule.....but delay of game because the player spiked the ball :confused:

Maybe the refs need to get in shape and accept that they might have to walk a few more steps to pick up the football.
 

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I'm willing to guarantee Barber gets a few of those flags fairly soon. Almost every time he gets tackled, he's so fired up he almost spikes it, but usually does that "spinner" w/ the ball. I'm willing to bet one of those pesky refs will pull the flag out on him, sooner or later.
 

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jman;1651147 said:
Did Owens actually "spike" the ball or was it more of one of those throw it down and make it spin kinda things?

He never raised the ball above waist level. Hard to call that a spike.
 

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Why is Shockey spiking the ball when the offense is in a hurry up offense? Seems like a poor decision despite the rule. The Broncos receivers used to say that they would turn to find the nearest ref to hand him the ball to save as much time as possible to allow Elway to make come backs. Every second counts.
 

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c0wb0y_m0nkey;1651262 said:
He never raised the ball above waist level. Hard to call that a spike.

TO is a target for these "judgement call" penalties. The spike wasn't a spike and the "excessive celebration" wasn't excessive.

I know this make me sound like a homer but I think TO is being picked on because of his reputation.
 

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theogt;1650978 said:
It's ridiculous and should be completely abolished.

It's definately a stupid rule for the most part. I can see a place for it when it actually causes a delay which gives an advantage to a team, but what TO did didn't delay the game.

The last time I checked, there was a play clock that determined the time between plays. This rule is just so the fat arsed refs don't have to chase the ball down. It has nothing to do with delaying the game.

About the only time this should be called is if the defense grabs the ball and spikes it while the offense is in hurry-up mode. The offense has the right to delay the game until the play clock runs out. If the offense spikes the ball, call it taunting if you have to call something.
 

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joseephuss;1651266 said:
Why is Shockey spiking the ball when the offense is in a hurry up offense? Seems like a poor decision despite the rule.

Cause he's an idiot.
 

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I'm confused as to why Chad Johnson didn't get an excessive celebration penalty on his first TD yesterday.

He'd promised that he was going to leap into Cleveland's "dawg pound". His first score was in the opposite endzone. He looked for the "dawg pound", saw it wasn't there then started for the other endzone with the ball. He stopped around the 20 or 30 then started back towards the endzone while another Bengal player was holding his jersey tail. All this commotion occurred on the field, not the sideline.

I agree that Owens broke the rule by using the ball as a prop but don't understand how Johnson's little deal wasn't a penalty.
 
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