PFT: Reid and McNabb have heart-to-heart

[NorthDalal]

Verdict---Doomsday made my point better than I did.

You are giving Bradshaw way too much credit in my opinion as my memory still retains thoughts of his low self-esteem and insecurity and his later admission of bitterness when Chuck Noll undercut him and played Joe Gilliam instead of Terry.

Elway was a little different as he was rarely challenged after he cry-babied his way out of the Baltimore Colts.

Troy has admitted in retrospect a great underlying distrust of Jimmy Johnson after the drafting of Steve Walsh and is cool toward Jimmie to this day.

Steve Young Elvis Grbac also fits into a similar scenario---but I guess I've made the point. When a QB has established himself as a team leader and has a long term contract, even the great one's feel a special sense of entitlement.

 

[sago1]

You also have to factor in QBs age when you draft the backup. McNabb is 30& expects play 5 more years so he beginning face fact his career is on the downside--ego probably can't stand that. Eagles also used their 2nd rounder which they got by trading out of first. Also, frankly McNabb might have wanted Eagles draft a quality WR with that pick as well. Also, you better believe he feels threatened--and remember he's never won a SB.

Aikman wasn't happy with Walsh here--remember Walsh was Jimmy Johnson's college QB & Aikman felt Walsh & Johnson were close to Aikman's detriment. So Walsh has to go/we got good picks for him & Johnson made more of an effort to know Aikman and good relationship followed. Aikman near end of his career wouldn't have felt threatened unlike McNabb cause Aikman had 3 SB wins vs 0 for McNabb. And that in the end is how the QB will be judge ala Peyton Manning.

 

[Hoov]

You don't remember Joe Montana crying---how fast they forget, he was the worlds bigest crybaby when Young was brought in and created a classeless scene when they dumped him to K.C.

He could'nt keep his mouth shut.Saint Brett does it a little differently stretching out his retirement musings 3 straight off-seasons.

LOL, saint brett. that made me laugh northdalal

seriously is he going to play again this year ? I loved the guy cause he was so fun to watch, but its time to hang it up.

 

[Stash]

Reid just showed McNabb that the honeymoon's over between them. I didn't expect McNabb to take it well and he isn't. He has one of the most fragile egos the NFL has ever seen and this 'outrage' has surely set him off.

I'm sure McNabb thought it was him and Andy forever.

Well forever just got a lot shorter.

Reid and the Eagles are planning for life after McNabb.

And that realization hit #5 like a ton of bricks.

 

[jobberone]

Has McNabb said anything in public? Do we know he is pissed? I don't see how he could not be a little threatened by the rookie but it's not like he's likely to be replaced this year. Still he's human and he doesn't want anyone to take his crown right now. He does get injured often enough to fear the rookie some even if his brain tells him the rookie can't win his title belt right now.

I don't see this as being a crybaby esp when he hasn't said anything publically. He's not responsible for his parents speech. I'd even bet he's talked to them about inflaming the situation. Why would a reporter even print what someone's Dad said unless he wanted to stir the stink? Who cares what his parents say or think?

I'm defending him because he's not done anything yet. If he causes problems then he'll deserve criticism. Until then he's a very good QB who has taken his team farther than we've gone in over a decade. No he hasn't won a SB. I'm thankful for that. I hope they never win one.

We sound like we're the crybabies to me. We can't beat them on the field so we'll beat their QB up behind his back. Waaaaaa.

I'm hating for this crap to be put on other boards. I'd laugh my *** off if this crap was on the Skin's boards.

 

[Dodger12]

Good point

Back in the day - and Reid knows this because he is a friend of Steve Young - Montana made Young's life miserable as he waited his turn. There was no camouflaging the situation.

Young has been very gracious in recent years about the whole thing. On the day in 2005 he was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame - the day before McNabb's Super Bowl - Young talked to a group of writers about how he and Montana were "hyper-competitive guys," and how the relationship was "as good as it could have been."

But it wasn't good. In the San Francisco Chronicle, he was quoted as saying, "I was kind of a bulldog on the pant leg of life in that situation. I wanted to play [but] I was nothing but respectful . . . I think the situation was, we butted up against each other, there was no space . . . I thought [Joe] should have done more [to help], but the truth was that I should have done more."

Now, remember Favre, another quarterback with whom Reid has a bit of familiarity. The famous quote after the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005 came from an ESPN interview in which Favre said he wasn't being paid to coach and that it's not in his contract to teach. Pretty clear, that.

Even here, when Randall Cunningham took over from Ron Jaworski, there was a level of tension - which is saying something, given how good a teammate and how good a guy Jaworski was (and is). But it was there, just beneath the surface. Jaworski did the right things and said the right things, but something was always there. Jaworski would say things like, "I think Randall can succeed given a limited game plan," and it was true, but also had just that bit of an edge. Given a limited game plan.

(And we won't even get into how Cunningham, as he was being ushered off the stage a decade later, became an unrelenting distraction for everybody - or have you forgotten when he wore his warmup jacket inside-out on the sideline, hiding the team logo?)

Now, this is different. McNabb is too classy to do anything but be classy as this thing plays out. Just don't expect him to be anything more than civil. It really doesn't work that way.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20070501_Rich_Hofmann___HEIR_CONDITIONING.html

I would add even in Dallas Troy and Steve Walsh situation was not great and the following season Walsh was traded

Good find Dooms. I was both surprised and relieved when Kolb was drafted. The only year McNabb was given a legit weapon at WR was with TO and they lit up the stats and went to the SB. When McNabb and Stallworth were both healthy, they were dangerous.

If I were McNabb, i'd be pissed too; he's never had a running game or a long term WR of any skills. The guy's a outstanding QB who's put up probowl numbers throwing to guys like Reggie Brown, James Thrash, Freddie Mitchell, Pinkston, etc. I'll be glad when he retires or gets moved from the NFC East.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

POSTED 9:07 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:26 a.m. EDT, May 2, 2007

McNABB, REID GET TOGETHER

Sal Paolantonio of ESPN reported on Tuesday night that Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and coach Andy Reid had an extended "heart-to-heart" discussion on Tuesday regarding the team's decision to select quarterback Kevin Kolb in the second round of the 2007 draft, and what the move means.

It was the first time they had talked since Reid left McNabb a voice message on Saturday telling the veteran quarterback "not to worry."

Apparently, McNabb wasn't worried -- he was pissed off.

Paolantonio says that the specific content of the discussion is unknown, but that it was described as "frank and open" by someone who was not in the room for the meeting.

Reid is expected to speak to the media on May 12. McNabb could talk to reporters then, or he might choose to wait until training camp.

Now, for our take on this whole ordeal.

Can someone tell us when Donovan McNabb became the coach, G.M., president, or owner of this team? Because we missed the news release.

Why does McNabb have this organization clutched by the short and curlies? The mere fact that the organization feels compelled to walk on eggshells around him makes us think that the time has come for a change.

And why should McNabb get a double-extra helping of deference from the team, the media, or anyone? Because of the Super Bowls he has won? Because of the MVP awards on his mantle?

In our view, McNabb is a good quarterback with periodic flashes of greatnesses but who has yet to deliver when it counts the most, and whose body gives out on him too frequently for him to be the long-term solution for a team that is securing its young talent well into the next decade.

The fans simply want a winning team, and an NFL championship would be nice. McNabb is becoming too much of a distraction, both due to his quiet-but-obvious selfishness and his proneness to injury.

Think about the comments that periodically come from his parents. Surely, McNabb has the ability to get them to put a sock in it, if he so chooses. By not telling them to mind their business, McNabb is creating the impression that they are his messengers as to subjects on which he's not ready to get his hands dirty.

The mere fact that the team drafted Kolb tells us that the organization has at least had the internal conversation as to whether McNabb is the long-term solution. The manner in which McNabb reacts to this latest development could go a long way toward helping the powers-that-be make their decision.

Didn't that idiot McFlabb say early in the offseason that one of the Eagles' needs was QB?

The statement from the self-absorbed McFlabb struck me as odd and now his turnaround strikes me as odder.

Utter odderness.

 

[Hoov]

Has McNabb said anything in public? Do we know he is pissed? I don't see how he could not be a little threatened by the rookie but it's not like he's likely to be replaced this year. Still he's human and he doesn't want anyone to take his crown right now. He does get injured often enough to fear the rookie some even if his brain tells him the rookie can't win his title belt right now.

I don't see this as being a crybaby esp when he hasn't said anything publically. He's not responsible for his parents speech. I'd even bet he's talked to them about inflaming the situation. Why would a reporter even print what someone's Dad said unless he wanted to stir the stink? Who cares what his parents say or think?

I'm defending him because he's not done anything yet. If he causes problems then he'll deserve criticism. Until then he's a very good QB who has taken his team farther than we've gone in over a decade. No he hasn't won a SB. I'm thankful for that. I hope they never win one.

We sound like we're the crybabies to me. We can't beat them on the field so we'll beat their QB up behind his back. Waaaaaa.

I'm hating for this crap to be put on other boards. I'd laugh my *** off if this crap was on the Skin's boards.

Good post !!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

McFlabb is a whiney little crybaby snit of a man.

he got a big head when he and his mama got the soup commercials, thinking he was American's QB or sumptin.

BOYCOTT CAMPBELL'S SOUP

 

[jobberone]

Good post !!

Thanks for the compliment. I was thinking I'd get flamed 100:1.

 

[Stash]

Thanks for the compliment. I was thinking I'd get flamed 100:1.

No harm in voicing your opinion. That's what places like this are for.

Even though I see things differently, I can respect your right to your own opinion on the subject.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Has McNabb said anything in public? Do we know he is pissed? I don't see how he could not be a little threatened by the rookie but it's not like he's likely to be replaced this year. Still he's human and he doesn't want anyone to take his crown right now. He does get injured often enough to fear the rookie some even if his brain tells him the rookie can't win his title belt right now.

I don't see this as being a crybaby esp when he hasn't said anything publically. He's not responsible for his parents speech. I'd even bet he's talked to them about inflaming the situation. Why would a reporter even print what someone's Dad said unless he wanted to stir the stink? Who cares what his parents say or think?

I'm defending him because he's not done anything yet. If he causes problems then he'll deserve criticism. Until then he's a very good QB who has taken his team farther than we've gone in over a decade. No he hasn't won a SB. I'm thankful for that. I hope they never win one.

We sound like we're the crybabies to me. We can't beat them on the field so we'll beat their QB up behind his back. Waaaaaa.

I'm hating for this crap to be put on other boards. I'd laugh my *** off if this crap was on the Skin's boards.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

wow, McNabb is a such a freakin baby

 

[dogunwo]

POSTED 9:07 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:26 a.m. EDT, May 2, 2007

McNABB, REID GET TOGETHER

Sal Paolantonio of ESPN reported on Tuesday night that Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and coach Andy Reid had an extended "heart-to-heart" discussion on Tuesday regarding the team's decision to select quarterback Kevin Kolb in the second round of the 2007 draft, and what the move means.

It was the first time they had talked since Reid left McNabb a voice message on Saturday telling the veteran quarterback "not to worry."

Apparently, McNabb wasn't worried -- he was pissed off.

Paolantonio says that the specific content of the discussion is unknown, but that it was described as "frank and open" by someone who was not in the room for the meeting.

Reid is expected to speak to the media on May 12. McNabb could talk to reporters then, or he might choose to wait until training camp.

Now, for our take on this whole ordeal.

Can someone tell us when Donovan McNabb became the coach, G.M., president, or owner of this team? Because we missed the news release.

Why does McNabb have this organization clutched by the short and curlies? The mere fact that the organization feels compelled to walk on eggshells around him makes us think that the time has come for a change.

And why should McNabb get a double-extra helping of deference from the team, the media, or anyone? Because of the Super Bowls he has won? Because of the MVP awards on his mantle?

In our view, McNabb is a good quarterback with periodic flashes of greatnesses but who has yet to deliver when it counts the most, and whose body gives out on him too frequently for him to be the long-term solution for a team that is securing its young talent well into the next decade.

The fans simply want a winning team, and an NFL championship would be nice. McNabb is becoming too much of a distraction, both due to his quiet-but-obvious selfishness and his proneness to injury.

Think about the comments that periodically come from his parents. Surely, McNabb has the ability to get them to put a sock in it, if he so chooses. By not telling them to mind their business, McNabb is creating the impression that they are his messengers as to subjects on which he's not ready to get his hands dirty.

The mere fact that the team drafted Kolb tells us that the organization has at least had the internal conversation as to whether McNabb is the long-term solution. The manner in which McNabb reacts to this latest development could go a long way toward helping the powers-that-be make their decision.

McNapp is so freakin sensitive.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

but that it was described as "frank and open" by someone who was not in the room for the meeting.

so the guy who described the conversation basically didn't hear it, and they're still using him as a source? wow, shoddy journalism

 

[tm1119]

I live in the Philly area(yeah it sucks) and last night on the local sports talk show they were all saying how unless McNabb gets the Eagles to the Superbowl this year he is done as an Eagle. McNabb is scheduled to make 6 mil next year and then 10 mil the following and they all agreed that there is no way the Eagles would pay that. Really made me smile throughout the entire program hearing how the Eagles window for sucess is getting smaller and smaller.

 

[dogunwo]

so the guy who described the conversation basically didn't hear it, and they're still using him as a source? wow, shoddy journalism

shoddy at best

 

[Concord]

Owens is vindicated...McNabb was the REAL Cancer!

 

[ArmyCowboy]

McNabb went down a few years ago and AJ Feeley came in and won games. Garcia did the same thing last season. Sure, McMahon couldn't handle it, but that just proves he's not very good.

The point here is that Philly has a great "system" offense for an accurate QB, regardless of arm strength, and don't think that McNabb doesn't know that and realize that he can easily be replaced.

 

[Doomsday101]

McNabb went down a few years ago and AJ Feeley came in and won games. Garcia did the same thing last season. Sure, McMahon couldn't handle it, but that just proves he's not very good.

The point here is that Philly has a great "system" offense for an accurate QB, regardless of arm strength, and don't think that McNabb doesn't know that and realize that he can easily be replaced.

I would agree about the job Garcia did, however the year Freeley took over the Philly D was pretty dominating and even though the Philly offense suffered they were able to overcome because of the defensive play.