News: PFT: Stephen Jones: “Too big a divide” to do a Dez Bryant deal now

[Sydla]

Dez is better than them..and he is more valuable to Dallas...so pay him what he is worth...and let the other teams fall in line BEHIND you!

So what's he worth? That's the question.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

You people are HILARIOUS. The Cowboys are a billon dollar company....do you think Jerry would sell it tomorrow for 100m? I mean 100m is a LOT of money. But the money Dez has been paid so far is PLENTY of money to some of you. Well Jerry could sell you tickets, beer, parking, suites etc....for a LOT LESS than he does...because he has PLENTY of money...but does that stop him from continuing to charge a premium?

Someone needs to understand supply and demand.

The demand for a top 3 WR in the league isnt what you think it is. Dallas isnt the only one not over-paying a WR.

The tag is the average of the TOP contracts...thus, the TAG tells you what Dez is worth.

 

[Sydla]

I've been saying this since they tagged and others said it was just a formality and thought it wouldnt be hard to get a deal done. When the teams original offer was 11m and 20m guarantee and the player is asking for cj type money there is no reasonable middle ground. The fact that some actually thought he wasn't asking for cj type money is laughable.

Well the floor was probably set when Maclin signed that deal that guaranteed him $22.5MM. So there's the floor and Bryant is much better than Maclin. So find the happy place between Maclin and Calvin Johnson's ridiculous deal.

 

[Sydla]

I don't know....but I am just wondering why we are letting AJ Green...or Demryius Thomas or Julio Jones set the market...are any of these guys better? Are any of these guys more valuable to their team? So what if one of them gets 60 million with 35m guaranteed. You going to give Dez LESS than that?

How many times have we heard people say Micheal Irvin was the real leader of those 90s teams. Why? Becuase of his ability first and foremost. But also his passion, his intensity...it elevated everyone. We thought we had leaders until we got rid of certain guys and allowed Dez to be himself...and you see how inspirationl it was. So the catches, TDs, run after catch is just part of it. He is the heart and soul of this team

I hate to blow your mind but yes, Thomas and Green and Jones are likely as good as Bryant. And yes, they are all very, very valuable to their teams.

 

[Sydla]

The numbers don't lie until they totally demolish your argument.

In fairness, if Bryant played in that Philly system, he probably would have blown Maclin's numbers out of the water.

Maclin isn't in the same class as Bryant. And I think Maclin got overpaid. But that set the floor. So the Cowboys have to go above and beyond what Maclin got. Anyone saying otherwise is just being foolish.

 

[Garrettop]

Maclin got overpaid just like Carr did a few years ago. When you have nothing at a position, it becomes a sellers market. Jerrah noted the whole "retail" back then. Since then the FO has been trying to make sure they don't get stuck in a similar situation.

 

[Idgit]

Denver is watching Dallas and Atlanta. Dallas is watching Denver and Atlanta. Atlanta is watching Denver and Dallas.

It's a murky receiver market. If one gets done, so will the other two. But that requires an agent to give up on the Calvin Johnson contract idea.

My gut is, Dez is the one who most wants to sign. If he takes control and tells his agent to hammer a deal out, it'll get done. Otherwise, I think Condon and Stephen will just stalemate.

That's what I think is most likely at this point, too. And Dez's camp is rattling sabres in advance of getting a deal worked out prior to camp so he doesn't miss real time. But I think at this point he'll be the first to get wrapped up.

Condon's a good agent, and both sides want a deal. The only hurdles is overcoming (or not) the existing WR high water mark for a contract structure. And Dez' camp knows Dallas is not the only team struggling with this. Any apparent bad blood right now I'm chalking up to contract posturing. It's not time for any of this to be personal yet.

 

[erod]

That's what I think is most likely at this point, too. And Dez's camp is rattling sabres in advance of getting a deal worked out prior to camp so he doesn't miss real time. But I think at this point he'll be the first to get wrapped up.

Condon's a good agent, and both sides want a deal. The only hurdles is overcoming (or not) the existing WR high water mark for a contract structure. And Dez' camp knows Dallas is not the only team struggling with this. Any apparent bad blood right now I'm chalking up to contract posturing. It's not time for any of this to be personal yet.

The first one to speak usually loses. I think by making these threats, they've somewhat played their hand a bit. I think Dez is getting really edgy because nothing is happening, and he's probably on Condon pretty hard to get to work on this. In turn, Condon is trying to do something that looks "firm", when he's really just reaching out first, which he didn't want to do.

 

[Idgit]

The first one to speak usually loses. I think by making these threats, they've somewhat played their hand a bit. I think Dez is getting really edgy because nothing is happening, and he's probably on Condon pretty hard to get to work on this. In turn, Condon is trying to do something that looks "firm", when he's really just reaching out first, which he didn't want to do.

I suspect both sides decided all along that they'll get a deal done by not too long into training camp, and right now it's a matter of positioning as well as they can prior to that. When it comes down to it, though, the math is the same. There's the big CJ deal that guaranteed too high a percentage of the money and had AAVs that were too high for the position. Teams aren't going to go off of that deal, and agents can't really come down off of that number. One of them will, eventually, and it's probably going to be Dez at this point as DEN is pretty dug-in and ATL doesn't need to make a deal yet. DAL's got the most favorable situation for a deal to get done because the player loves the team, the team loves the player, we've got an aging QB, and the owner wants his young franchise stars and will pay. The only hurdle is agreeing on what that market should be.

They should just do a deal at the club's version of market rate with an incentive built in that's triggered to escalate to Dez' version of market rate if he outperforms Thomas and Julio Jones and call it a day.

 

[texbumthelife]

His supporters are threatening to boycott games?

Are we going to have picketers in front of the stadium with signs complaining 14 million is an unfair wage?

 

[Little Jr]

I'd willing to bet a lot a deal won't get done. The only hope is one of the other wr signs a friendly deal and forces dez and his people to come down off their demand. I'm not sure that will work either.

It's funny the same people who think a deal will get done in the next 27 days are the same ones who thought it was just a formality when they tagged. They are the same ones who thought it wouldn be hard to get a deal done. Same one who thought dez and his people wouldn't ask for cj type money. The 2 side have been working on this since the season but yeah in the next 27 days a deal will get done. Lol ok.

 

[Little Jr]

One of theDAL's got the most favorable situation for a deal to get done because the player loves the team, the team loves the player, we've got an aging QB, and the owner wants his young franchise stars and will pay. The only hurdle is agreeing on what that market should be.

Same could be said for Denver

 

[ROUSH8692]

I do...it is not enough security for someone who has gave you top notch production while playing for PEANUTS his first 5 years

He didn't even know the route tree for his first couple of years lol! Feel free to create a fund me account and chip in if you want him to get paid more....

 

[Idgit]

Same could be said for Denver

Maybe. Thomas' agent is on record saying they want to see the terms of Dez' deal, but you never know. Any of the three could sign first. I just think its more likely to be Dez, given his personality and his relationship with the Cowboys. Both teams are offering deals that are going to average less than what the franchise tag is right now, so it's really up to the players to move if they want the long term deals done.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

IMO, this is more about Tom Condon and the business, then it is Dez. Don't get me wrong, Dez is going along with it but, Condon represents Romo, Witten, Free, Wetzel, Carr and possibly others. Condon has gotten over priced contracts out of Dallas over and over and he is trying to secure his position with Dez as well. The Cowboys are changing the way they do business. They are trying to become a cap secure franchise and this is why it's more then just about Dez. To me, this is hard point in the Franchises evolution and it's going to be interesting to see how firmly they stick to their vision for the team. I didn't originally think this was anything more then just the usual agent/player speak at first but now, I think this may be more then that.

Guess we'll see.

 

[erod]

I suspect both sides decided all along that they'll get a deal done by not too long into training camp, and right now it's a matter of positioning as well as they can prior to

That's the problem. Dallas can't negotiate with Dez on anything more than a one-year deal after July 15th. It has to be done by then, or wait until next offseason.

 

[erod]

IMO, this is more about Tom Condon and the business, then it is Dez. Don't get me wrong, Dez is going along with it but, Condon represents Romo, Witten, Free, Wetzel, Carr and possibly others. Condon has gotten over priced contracts out of Dallas over and over and he is trying to secure his position with Dez as well. The Cowboys are changing the way they do business. They are trying to become a cap secure franchise and this is why it's more then just about Dez. To me, this is hard point in the Franchises evolution and it's going to be interesting to see how firmly they stick to their vision for the team. I didn't originally think this was anything more then just the usual agent/player speak at first but now, I think this may be more then that.

Guess we'll see.

Doesn't Condon represent Demariyius Thomas and AJ Green, too?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Doesn't Condon represent Demariyius Thomas and AJ Green, too?

Both Mannings, Ryan, Stafford and a ton of other big time players as well.

 

[Idgit]

That's the problem. Dallas can't negotiate with Dez on anything more than a one-year deal after July 15th. It has to be done by then, or wait until next offseason.

Yeah, right. Either way, the point is there's a drop dead date for it, so this is all just positioning prior to that.

 

[erod]

Both Mannings, Ryan, Stafford and a ton of other big time players as well.

It's hard to "set the receiver market" when you dealing with the same guy for both big names.

On the flip side, if he doesn't sign either, Condon will look like the road block, not Denver and Dallas.