PFT: Thoughts on changes to NFL personal conduct policy

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POSTED 9:26 p.m. EST, February 27, 2007

RAIN MAN PROVIDING MUCH-NEEDED WAKE UP CALL

Ten years from now, we'll look back on the February 18 incident involving Rain Man Jones, a roomful of strippers, $81,000, and a hail of bullets and say, "That was the moment at which the NFL got its head out of its hind quarters."

Jones has become a caricature. His behavior, if foreseen by the fictional show Playmakers, would have drawn even stronger huffs and puffs from former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue.

Jones has had eight brushes with the law, and no consequences. Heck, when he cold-cocked a guy with a pool cue up the road from PFT headquarters while attending WVU, he at least ended up with a black mark on his record. Since joining the NFL, Rain Man has acquired a coat of Teflon thick enough to make Mike Shanahan envious.

But not anymore. There is a growing sense that Rain Man will be the fall guy, and that he will pay for the sins of himself and his colleagues with his professional career.

How can it happen? It's easy. The Titans will cut him. And no one else will sign him. Sure, it might take a little collusion among the owners to ensure that a maverick bunch like the Cowboys or the Commanders won't break ranks. But if no one picks him up, and if the NFLPA doesn't cry foul, it's game over.

It's an end-justifies-the-means situation. Technically, Rain Man has done nothing to merit banishment from the league. As a practical matter, he no longer deserves to be a part of it.

And we fully expect Rain Man's misadventures to prompt meaningful change to the Personal Conduct Policy. Currently, the policy kicks in only after someone is convicted or pleads guilty to a crime. But convictions are too hard to get, and just because we have decided as a society not to throw a guy in jail absent proof beyond a reasonable doubt, it doesn't mean that a guy can't be fired from his job.

Termination is precisely what we advocated in October, after Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth stomped on the face of Cowboys center Andre Gurode. Rain Man's position regarding the behavior of his teammate?

"We need more thugs on this team."

But just as convictions are too high of a bar for the imposition of discipline by the NFL, arrests are too low of a standard. Anyone can get someone arrested. If an angry wife or scorned girlfriend make false allegations against a player, an arrest is a virtual certainty.

Likewise, a conduct policy based on arrests would put too much power in the hands of police officers, a few of whom might be inclined to look the other way . . . at a price.

So what should the NFL do? First, a sweeping code of conduct should be developed. The code should include some things that aren't necessarily illegal, and it will omit certain things for which a guy can get arrested, such as parking tickets or driving with an expired license. The code should be clear, and it should be the product of negotiation between the NFL and the union.

Second, a panel consisting of a representative of the league office, a representative of the union, and a player would then preside over an effort to determine whether the player committed the conduct with which he is charged. The player would be represented by his agent or a lawyer, and not by the NFLPA. The prosecutor would be hired jointly by the league and the union. The legal standard would be proof by a preponderance of the evidence, a 51-49 scale-tipping test that results in a violation if the panel concludes that it is more likely than not that the player engaged in the behavior in question.

The penalty for a first strike would be a fine equal to one fourth of the player's cap number for the year in which the incident occurred.

The second strike would result in a four-game suspension.

The third strike would result in banishment, with the opportunity to apply for reinstatement after a year.

The next strike after reinstatement would result in banishment, with no opportunity to return.

Another possibility would be to impose a constant curfew on a player with one or two strikes. Then, if the player is in the wrong place at the wrong time -- and the clock reflects a time after the time when he was supposed to be home -- he automatically picks up another strike, no further questions asked.

The final product could take on many different forms, and our primary hope is that the NFL will do something to put a clamp on the rash of player arrests. Though Turd Watch has quickly become an extremely popular feature for us, we look forward to the day that it can be dismantled.
 

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What a joke if the league took any of this as so called policy they would catch so many law suits it wouldn't even be funny. These guys are FOOTBALL players not people protecting national security. I just love how peple want to force such high morals and standards on people who are just FOOTBALL players.
 

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sacase;1395491 said:
What a joke if the league took any of this as so called policy they would catch so many law suits it wouldn't even be funny. These guys are FOOTBALL players not people protecting national security. I just love how peple want to force such high morals and standards on people who are just FOOTBALL players.

Not a joke at all - No one in the real world gets by with all the crap
players do. And you expect them to not have consquences to their action.
I am all for it. There are very few "bad apples " out there. So have recourse to get them out of the game and soon there will be fewer and fewer
coming into the league. I don't care what your back ground is or how good you can play --a punk is a punk --don't reward them with lots of money
---if they cn't follow the company rules ( and yes each team is a company)
ire them:bang2:
 

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sacase;1395491 said:
What a joke if the league took any of this as so called policy they would catch so many law suits it wouldn't even be funny. These guys are FOOTBALL players not people protecting national security. I just love how peple want to force such high morals and standards on people who are just FOOTBALL players.


:mad: It's that kind of attitude that has gotten us where we are today. Obviously no one has instilled any morals or standards into Jones who is "just a football player" and now there's a body guard sitting in a wheel chair for the rest of his life. If Jones were an employee of a company he would have been fired several "instances ago". These players are coming into the league with the attitude that they are above the law and whether you want to admit it or not, above a moral standard that this country was founded on.

The NFL as "employer" of these players should have every right to hold these guys to a standard be it moral or not.

In repsonse to the original post, I think something needs to be done and it's a step in the right direction. I think they need to give the teams a break in the salary cap when it comes to dealing with low lifes like Jones. Teams right now are forced to keep the guy around because they can't take the salary cap hit. Granted, some of these teams draft these players knowing full well that they could be trouble, but there are instances out there where the player seemed ok but blew it down the road. Give the teams the power to get rid of these guys without the salary cap hit.
 

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justbob;1395525 said:
Not a joke at all - No one in the real world gets by with all the crap
players do. And you expect them to not have consquences to their action.
I am all for it. There are very few "bad apples " out there. So have recourse to get them out of the game and soon there will be fewer and fewer
coming into the league. I don't care what your back ground is or how good you can play --a punk is a punk --don't reward them with lots of money
---if they cn't follow the company rules ( and yes each team is a company)
ire them:bang2:
What rock are you living under? Of course people in the "real world" get by with all this crap. And of course there are consequences. It's called local, state, and federal law enfocement agencies. Let the government deal with people who break the law. Nobody is rewarding people because of their off the field behavior. They're rewarding them because of their on the field behavior.
 

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sacase;1395491 said:
What a joke if the league took any of this as so called policy they would catch so many law suits it wouldn't even be funny. These guys are FOOTBALL players not people protecting national security. I just love how peple want to force such high morals and standards on people who are just FOOTBALL players.

Why? Playing football in the NFL is not a god given right and the league should expect a certain standard from their players. This ideal these guys can do what they want and get away with it has gotten old and people need to be held accountable for this actions. Getting 3 chances is a lot more than most of us get in the business world. Add to that the NFL can only control their own league so if these guys can't manage then they can always move on to the CFL.
 

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Its a start.


A lot of work to get it ironed out to be effective. The defense attorney's will make it difficult to actually call ONE strike against a player let alone THREE.
 

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theogt;1395530 said:
What rock are you living under? Of course people in the "real world" get by with all this crap. And of course there are consequences. It's called local, state, and federal law enfocement agencies. Let the government deal with people who break the law. Nobody is rewarding people because of their off the field behavior. They're rewarding them because of their on the field behavior.

Most people in the real world if they fail a drug test get fired, they don't suspended you for 4 weeks and you come back fact is your gone.
 

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Doomsday101;1395543 said:
Most people in the real world if they fail a drug test get fired, they don't suspended you for 4 weeks and you come back fact is your gone.
Most? Link? What if I were to say most companies don't even test for drugs?
 

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Doomsday101;1395543 said:
Most people in the real world if they fail a drug test get fired, they don't suspended you for 4 weeks and you come back fact is your gone.

That all depends on what your companies policy is, and the agreement you signed when hired.

The company these guys work for mandates a 4 games suspension, or whatever it is. Some "Real-world" companies employ similar suspension or rehab options.
 

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superpunk;1395546 said:
That all depends on what your companies policy is, and the agreement you signed when hired.

The company these guys work for mandates a 4 games suspension, or whatever it is. Some "Real-world" companies employ similar suspension or rehab options.

In all my years of working I have not seen many who will give their employees the same type of leeway we see in professional sports.
 

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Doomsday101;1395548 said:
In all my years of working I have not seen many who will give their employees the same type of leeway we see in professional sports.
That may be because they don't find their employees as valuable as NFL teams find theirs.
 

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Doomsday101;1395548 said:
In all my years of working I have not seen many who will give their employees the same type of leeway we see in professional sports.

20,000 posts, sweet. :D

Admittedly, even with all those years of working, your realm of intimate knowledge is relatively tiny. REALLY relatively tiny. These players are valuable pieces of the company. In ALL companies, more leeway is granted to such hard-to-replace pieces. The NFL just attempts to grant their irreplaceable pieces as much leeway as they can, because there is so much to lose.

Wal-mart faces no such qualms when dismissing the stocker who likes to toke it up in the parking lot.
 

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theogt;1395545 said:
Most? Link? What if I were to say most companies don't even test for drugs?

Companies that use drug test is that better? Sorry I do think that pro sports gives a lot more slack to players than what most of us see in the real business world. It has gotten to the point that it is not just the league who is wanting to see sports cleaned up but players themselves who want to see change. When 1 team has 9 players in 1 season getting in trouble things are getting out of hand. You may want to put these guys on a pedestal but many people think the act is getting old.
 

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superpunk;1395553 said:
20,000 posts, sweet. :D

Admittedly, even with all those years of working, your realm of intimate knowledge is relatively tiny. REALLY relatively tiny. These players are valuable pieces of the company. In ALL companies, more leeway is granted to such hard-to-replace pieces. The NFL just attempts to grant their irreplaceable pieces as much leeway as they can, because there is so much to lose.

Wal-mart faces no such qualms when dismissing the stocker who likes to toke it up in the parking lot.

And your knowledge I take it is vast? :lmao2: Many companies will fire people for a lot less than what we see taking place in sports, it has become a joke with guys constantly getting busted and coming right back to collect their big pay checks.
 

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Doomsday101;1395559 said:
And your knowledge I take it is vast?
Do you not see how this sentence is complete nonsense, in relation to what I posted - or do I have to explain it?

Many companies will fire people for a lot less than what we see taking place in sports, it has become a joke with guys constantly getting busted and coming right back to collect their big pay checks.

Instead of reading what I wrote, did you just opt to say the exact same thing over again? My guess is yes.

They allow them to keep coming back BECAUSE of their big contracts. BECAUSE they are valuable. "Real" world companies do the same, with high-level employees, who are difficult to replace, and would represent a significant loss to the company monetarily and production-wise. Construction workers and bank-tellers aren't on the same "irreplaceable" level as NFL stars. The difference is clear, and they are treated accordingly by their employers.
 

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superpunk;1395564 said:
Do you not see how this sentence is complete nonsense, in relation to what I posted - or do I have to explain it?



Instead of reading what I wrote, did you just opt to say the exact same thing over again? My guess is yes.

They allow them to keep coming back BECAUSE of their big contracts. BECAUSE they are valuable. "Real" world companies do the same, with high-level employees, who are difficult to replace, and would represent a significant loss to the company monetarily and production-wise. Construction workers and bank-tellers aren't on the same "irreplaceable" level as NFL stars. The difference is clear, and they are treated accordingly by their employers.

I read what you wrote I don't agree with you and your naive view of how the business world works. You must have learned that is class. People are very replaceable don't kid yourself. If the league chooses to clean their act up they can and fans of sports will still watch it.
 

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Doomsday101;1395591 said:
I read what you wrote I don't agree with you and your naive view of how the business world works. You must have learned that is class. People are very replaceable don't kid yourself. If the league chooses to clean their act up they can and fans of sports will still watch it.

lmao...yeah, you read what I wrote - and MY view is naive.

ok, Pollyanna. ;) The NFL should just write off their multi-million dollar investments. It's a write-off for them. How is it a write-off? They just write it off. Write it off what? All these big companies, they write off everything. You don't even know what a write off is. Do you? No, I don't. But they do, and they're the ones, writing it off.
 
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