PFT: Will the receiver market go the way of the running back market?

[Coogiguy03]

Maybe the NFL should just get rid of the salary cap? Let the market decide.

The prevailing theory is contracts would sky rocket and smaller markets would not be competitive. However, the salary cap just seems to create an environment where teams, or the NFL product are lessened.

Instead of talking football we all become capologists not rooting for our QB because he costs too much or wanting to get rid of our best WR, because ya know we have a cap to consider.

Remove it and maybe economic principles kick in and the NFL adjusts To solid business management techniques.

Post of the day!!

 

[Coogiguy03]

The opposite. The salary cap improves the NFL product.

The biggest detriment to the product is FA. If you have one, gotta have both. Hand in hand.

Getting rid of the salary cap would create a clusterfudge, a real olio.

What about players becoming great in their contract year and not being hungry or as successful as before they signed the huge deal

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Depends on who they have to let walk to pay him his 30 mil. If they sign him instead of Chris Jones, no, they don't win 2 in a row.

I agree if you take off Chris Jones. If you take off Justin Reid, CEH and MVS? They’d still win.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And Chris Jones and NNadi and their OL. All much more important than any WR.

Nandi….also 2 million…dirt cheap lol. His 2 million salary didn't kill them.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Lamb’s realistic trade value is a 1st and a 3rd. You could only HOPE to replace him with the 1st, so you’re gaining a third rounder. Look at the recent third round history of this team and tell me it’s worth doing.

The reason to move a guy like Lamb would be if you’re entering full rebuild mode and don’t expect to win for a while, and/or he doesn’t fit the scheme of your brand new HC that you’re very committed to.

He is a marketable #88, which makes trading him about as moot as Jerry selling the team.

These guys do not wheel and deal to try to get the roster the staff/scheme requires as other GMs do. They aren’t capable. They just collect players.

You dont just gain a draft pick. You also gave enough cap space to add an elite free agent (if the Cowboys would actually do that).

 

[DandyDon52]

I think it might as these wr ask for more and more $.
Teams are already wising up at least some of them.

 

[JoeKing]

It is a fair question and you can argue unless you are extending Dak, why invest $30M+ into CeeDee? Would a trade ( 2 first-round picks ) bring better value? It is exactly the position the Packers took when Adams was traded after Rogers left.

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Will receiver market go the way of the running back market?​

• By
• Mike Florio

Published May 26, 2024 12:12 PM

Multiple receivers have gotten paid this offseason. Multiple others are still waiting.

Last month, 35 more were drafted — including nine in the first 34 selections.

As more and more competent receivers enter the NFL via the low-cost rookie wage scale, it’s fair to wonder if/when more and more teams will decline to pay a receiver and look for a replacement instead in the draft.

Two years ago, three teams did it. The Titans traded A.J. Brown, the Packers traded receiver Davante Adams, the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill. (Tennessee used the first-round pick it got for Brown on his replacement, Treylon Burks. The Packers opted for quantity, drafting Christian Watson, Romeo Doubs, and Samari Toure. And the Chiefs went with a low-cost committee approach that has helped deliver every Lombardi Trophy awarded since Hill was traded.)

Now, with Vikings receiver Justin Jefferson, 49ers receiver Brandon Aiyuk, Bengals receiver Tee Higgins, and Cowboys receiver CeeDee Lamb still clamoring for new contracts (all have stayed away from OTAs), the question becomes whether they’ll eventually end up with other teams, too

With or without Dak, we will still have a capable QB throwing the ball to CeeDee. I see WR as a skill set you still have to pay top dollar to get the best. CeeDee will get paid by the Jones boys, eventually.

 

[kskboys]

What about players becoming great in their contract year and not being hungry or as successful as before they signed the huge deal

Doesn't happen as often as it's made out to happen.

 

[kskboys]

I agree if you take off Chris Jones. If you take off Justin Reid, CEH and MVS? They’d still win.

Nandi….also 2 million…dirt cheap lol. His 2 million salary didn't kill them.

Don't get caught up in the details. The more you subtract, the lesser the D. It's not just one guy who makes the KC D what it is, though Jones is definitely the catalyst. Just a little less pressure and/or coverage, and they don't beat BALT 17-10. KC had the 2nd ranked D in the NFL in 23, subtract 2-3 key players and they don't.

The Chiefs lost to the Bucs in 20 super bowl because the Bucs D squushed them and their D couldn't stop the Bucs. They learned their lesson. Traded Reek for quality draft picks and built the D. Kablam, 2 consecutive super bowls.

QB's need sharp route runners to win super bowls, guys who can beat good coverage. High flying game breakers win fill the stands, guys who can get open win super bowls.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Don't get caught up in the details. The more you subtract, the lesser the D. It's not just one guy who makes the KC D what it is, though Jones is definitely the catalyst. Just a little less pressure and/or coverage, and they don't beat BALT 17-10. KC had the 2nd ranked D in the NFL in 23, subtract 2-3 key players and they don't.

The Chiefs lost to the Bucs in 20 super bowl because the Bucs D squushed them and their D couldn't stop the Bucs. They learned their lesson. Traded Reek for quality draft picks and built the D. Kablam, 2 consecutive super bowls.

QB's need sharp route runners to win super bowls, guys who can beat good coverage. High flying game breakers win fill the stands, guys who can get open win super bowls.

But the Chiefs tried to bring back Reek lol. He left on his own terms they offered him a contract and the guaranteed money was off. This narrative they let him go is not true.

 

[fivetwos]

You dont just gain a draft pick. You also gave enough cap space to add an elite free agent (if the Cowboys would actually do that).

True, if they want to allocate the money to a different position. Moves like that do happen, just not in Dallas.

The current #88 is getting his money. He may not be the very best in the league, but he is up there and will get the top WR contract when he signs it. He will get tagged twice before being allowed to leave but it won’t come to that.

 

[beware_d-ware]

If the league gets several more Pukas, they might be. As it stands, WRs are getting paid and rightly so

I think QB is the position that's closest to getting devalued, honestly. There's been a bunch of Purdys and Flaccos and Jordan Loves that have just shown up and balled recently, for owners to think they may have a choice between paying Daniel Jones $80M guaranteed and facing NFL purgatory.

 

[Mikexike]

This is a great question.

I’ve always been reluctant to sink a ton of cap space on a WR. Especially when you look at all the SB winners, or even conference champions of the last decade or more who win without highly paid WRs.

Here are some recent SB winners and conf champs and their WR group:

• 2016 pats- SB champs- WRs were Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, and Chris Hogan (Brady as QB)
• 2017 eagles- SB champs-WRs were Alston Jefffey, Tory Smith and Nelson Agholor (with Nick Foles as QB)
• 2018 rams- NFC champs- WRs- Tavon Austin, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods (Jared Goff as QB)
• 2018 pats- SB champs - WRS Julian Edelman, Phillip Dorsett and Chris Hogan (Brady as QB)
• 2023 chiefs - SB champs- WR- Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Rashee Rice, Kadarius Toney (Mahomes as QB)

Yes, obviously Brady and Mahomes make any receiver look good but Jared Goff? Nick Foles?

My bigger point is I think it is way harder to find great OL than good enough WRs. Which is why I lean toward thinking WRs are not as important as the market currently treats them.

Another part of it is these QB's know when to take risk in high profile games.

 

[Bobhaze]

But the Chiefs tried to bring back Reek lol. He left on his own terms they offered him a contract and the guaranteed money was off. This narrative they let him go is not true.

You’re right about the chiefs making Tyreek Hill a contract offer. I can’t prove it but I think they knew that offer was not what it was going to take to keep him. I believe it was more a gesture than a true bid.

 

[kskboys]

But the Chiefs tried to bring back Reek lol. He left on his own terms they offered him a contract and the guaranteed money was off. This narrative they let him go is not true.

Yup. Maybe they just got lucky as we did w/ Gregory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!