PFT: Words of wisdom from... M. Irvin? Vick should be given another chance to play

[Cowboys2008]

They were just talking on local radio up here that the packers should do it. I don't get how a team or fans could even consider it. As tempting as it could be.

 

[Sarge]

I hate Vick. However, he served his time. Was it long enough? Not in my book... but it's not my book that matters - he did his time - period.

Now, will he play again in the NFL? Don't know - but if I was an NFL owner, I would not TOUCH that scumbag. To me, anyone who signs that loser is a direct reflection on them and their team - will be interesting to see who, if anyone, goes after the tool.

 

[zrinkill]

I believe its gonna be Mike Tyson all over again ...... he will be a shell of his former self.

 

[arglebargle]

I hate Vick. However, he served his time. Was it long enough? Not in my book... but it's not my book that matters - he did his time - period.

Now, will he play again in the NFL? Don't know - but if I was an NFL owner, I would not TOUCH that scumbag. To me, anyone who signs that loser is a direct reflection on them and their team - will be interesting to see who, if anyone, goes after the tool.

:bravo:

People are ignoring what an ignoramus Vick is. When Dan Reeves was coaching him, he had to schedule offseason activity about every two weeks, because if the gaps were longer, Vick would retrogress in his training. And he's been out of it for years now. Not a good risk.

The guy's an athletic version of Quincy Carter, without Quincy's smarts....

And whatever team takes him immediately goes on to a lot of people's Most Hated Team list.

 

[Trendnet]

People do not have a "RIGHT" to play in the NFL, it is a privilege. No one is keeping Michael Vick from pursuing a professional football career in the CFL, Arena League, the new UFL, or any of a hundred semi-pro leagues around the country.

I don't understand this.

Why is it okay for Vick to play in the other leagues but not the NFL?

I say the man did his time, if a team signs him so be it.

Far from me to begrudge another persons ability to find employment.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I don't understand this.

Why is it okay for Vick to play in the other leagues but not the NFL?

I say the man did his time, if a team signs him so be it.

Far from me to begrudge another persons ability to find employment.

If a team wants to sign him go for it, as long as it's not Dallas, but if he doesn't get signed by an NFL team then he can still earn a living in another league.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would not want to be the PR man for a team who signes Vick.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Irvin I am glad he was a Cowboy, its I think he is marketing himself. I also dont blame him, but I am not going to be dumb enough to buy it.

Its sad, how people are, i.e. assuming always the worst in people. Its one thing if you judge a person after having seen all the evidences and facts at hand. But just assuming something sinster just by having a "Feeling" or because of past history, is just sad. Now past is good indicator of future behaviour, if nothing else contradicts or there is no evidence to contrary.

I am not calling you out, but several guys/fans do that about Irvin. I used to dislike Irvin a bit, especially after his famous Court appearance with his Fur coat etc. And then his several other transgressions.

But since then, having listening to him daily on his Radio show, I have appreciation for him and what a bright and genuine guy he is, with all his warts. I genuinely used to think he was a dumb jock like most other jocks, with great personality. Even with him being little bit preachy ( especially me being an athiest) sometimes on his show, he tries to genuinely listen to all points of view etc.

All I can say is, I was skeptical of him, when he said he chose Radio over TV gig at ESPN. But I now believe him ( and of all people apparently Rush Limbaugh influenced him to to move to Radio). Partly, he loves to talk and TV doesn't let him do it to the extent Radio will and also preach etc., from listening to him.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I hate Vick. However, he served his time. Was it long enough? Not in my book... but it's not my book that matters - he did his time - period.

Now, will he play again in the NFL? Don't know - but if I was an NFL owner, I would not TOUCH that scumbag. To me, anyone who signs that loser is a direct reflection on them and their team - will be interesting to see who, if anyone, goes after the tool.

 

[Dodger]

Eh....if Goodell wants to reinstate him and some NFL owner wants to sign him, fine. Whatever. Those decisions are theirs to make.

Personally, though, I wouldn't touch him. To me, Vick has demonstrated the type of person he is. Call it bad judgment, a poor decision, whatever. The fact remains that he knew that decision was the wrong one to make, yet he did it anyway.

And before someone tells me to let it go because "it was one bad decision," to that I say we're not talking about, for example, Vick deciding to drive 60 in a 25mph zone. That's a bad decision too, but not nearly on the same scale as the whopper he decided on.

It all comes down to character. I realize that many don't equate what he did to other serious crimes, but in my mind, there's not a lot of difference. Would you want someone convicted of armed robbery as a teammate? How about a rapist? Those people made a "bad decision" too, but you don't see any of them playing professional football.

 

[DFWJC]

Its sad, how people are, i.e. assuming always the worst in people. Its one thing if you judge a person after having seen all the evidences and facts at hand. But just assuming something sinster just by having a "Feeling" or because of past history, is just sad. Now past is good indicator of future behaviour, if nothing else contradicts or there is no evidence to contrary.

I am not calling you out, but several guys/fans do that about Irvin. I used to dislike Irvin a bit, especially after his famous Court appearance with his Fur coat etc. And then his several other transgressions.

But since then, having listening to him daily on his Radio show, I have appreciation for him and what a bright and genuine guy he is, with all his warts. I genuinely used to think he was a dumb jock like most other jocks, with great personality. Even with him being little bit preachy ( especially me being an athiest) sometimes on his show, he tries to genuinely listen to all points of view etc.

All I can say is, I was skeptical of him, when he said he chose Radio over TV gig at ESPN. But I now believe him ( and of all people apparently Rush Limbaugh influenced him to to move to Radio). Partly, he loves to talk and TV doesn't let him do it to the extent Radio will and also preach etc., from listening to him.

I agree. I've seen very view people who stand up and take the blame for past sins on a seemingly daily basis like Irvin does. And the guy is ALWAYS preaching to do the right thing as best you can--while adding that you must learn from the past and be accountable. I really am impressed with him in that regard.

 

[Avaj]

I think he deserve a second chance as well.

 

[DFWJC]

Vick's actions dont desrve a second opportunity to make millions.

He is a ignorant, dumb and cruel punk who should still be locked up. The two Vick brothers have proven themselves to be scum bags.

Spending real time in prison and losing 70 million dallars may have a way of changing a man. We all have good and bad qualities and he let that dark side rule sometimes, but maybe not in the future. A lot of people that know him well say that for the most part he was not a bad guy, but it was those other times that were ugly. We'll see. I would bet that he has changed.

If he gets back in the NFL, well, I said before that Goodell and the market place will decide that.

 

[RCowboyFan]

And before someone tells me to let it go because "it was one bad decision," to that I say we're not talking about, for example, Vick deciding to drive 60 in a 25mph zone. That's a bad decision too, but not nearly on the same scale as the whopper he decided on.

It all comes down to character. I realize that many don't equate what he did to other serious crimes, but in my mind, there's not a lot of difference. Would you want someone convicted of armed robbery as a teammate? How about a rapist? Those people made a "bad decision" too, but you don't see any of them playing professional football.

That comes down to what your moral values are based on. If you think Human beings are equal to Animals or Vice Versa, then you obviously one would think that.

I mean any sane person wouldn't think, eating chicken is same as eating humans would they? Vick did commit a crime, in the sense that he killed Dogs in a cruel manner. But lets not equate that to Rape or Armed Robbery, which is rediculous comparison if you don't equate Humans and Animals having same rights.

I have watched Chicken fighting and personally killed chicken to make a meal ( I never been to a dog fight nor probably would have liked to watch it but thats a whole another story). But it never occurred me to ever go and commit a crime against a another Human being.

When you commit a crime against an innocent person or a person who has done nothing wrong to another human, then you tend to have sociopathic tendencies and not just "Bad Decisions". Now there are Serial Killers who start with torcher of animals etc. and graduate to Human beings according to research. But Vick never came to that level.

I do agree with you about not touching Vick with ten foot pole though. Because risk vs reward on Vick is not great deal IMO. But there might be teams that might think he is worth it, but I doubt cowboys are one of them.

 

[Dodger]

I mean any sane person wouldn't think, eating chicken is same as eating humans would they? Vick did commit a crime, in the sense that he killed Dogs in a cruel manner. But lets not equate that to Rape or Armed Robbery, which is rediculous comparison if you don't equate Humans and Animals having same rights.

I know what you're saying, and I tried to take that into account, but to me the issue is not human vs. animal as much as it is intent. Vick knew that what he was doing was wrong. He knew that he was slaughtering dogs, torturing them, really, and he didn't seem to care one bit. Sure, they're just animals, and yeah, humans eat animals, but to look at it that way almost de-values the seriousness of the crime. Dog-fighting may not be classified as a violent felony, but it's a felony involving a violent activity nonetheless, both punishable by lengthy incarcerations. So in a legal respect (and moral depending on your views), I feel that the the crimes are similar. Of course, I do expect opinions to vary on this, and that's fine.