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Kolb not bothered by Vick getting snaps


Posted June 06, 2010 @ 10:07 a.m. ET
By PFW staff

We've been hearing the following whispers around the league:
• Eagles QB Kevin Kolb told PFW he has no problem with Michael Vick coming in for a play or two at a time, or even for an entire series. Donovan McNabb said that bringing in Vick occasionally would get him out of rhythm, but Kolb said he wants to see as much of Vick as possible. "Last year when I was in there (for two starts) it didn't affect me at all," Kolb said by telephone. "To be honest with you, (Vick) looks so good right now out there in OTAs, I want him to be on the field as much as possible. He's a great athlete and a great weapon."

• Our Seahawks sources continue to sing the praises of former first-round WR Mike Williams, who appears to be taking full advantage of the opportunity being given to him by new head coach Pete Carroll, who coached Williams at USC. "He realizes what a chance he's getting, and he provides a bigger presence at receiver, which is something they really want," one source told PFW. As for Reggie Williams, another former first-round wideout who has been offered a shot at making the team, the word is that the former Jaguar is way behind Mike Williams and is considered "just a guy."

• One team source referred to Patriots RB Laurence Maroney as a "broken man" before the draft, but the fact that the team did not select or acquire another back plays in his favor. And Maroney has remained upbeat this offseason, telling the media he still believes he has a big season in him.

The debate over how the Cowboys will handle RBs Marion Barber and Felix Jones — and Tashard Choice, for that matter — rages on, but we hear there's little concern with the team over how the rotation will work out. Barber likely will get more fourth-quarter carries, which is when he often is at his best, but that doesn't guarantee Jones will be handed a starting job, either.

• Saints head coach Sean Payton recently said "It's hard to tell," when asked whether Chase Daniel could be Drew Brees' top backup, and it sounds as if the team is still open to signing a veteran backup in late July when the "final eight" rules no longer apply. Payton said he plans on getting Daniel plenty of snaps in the preseason and wants the Missouri product to compete to become the primary backup.

• The odd man out in the Lions' passing game appears to be WR Bryant Johnson, who failed to complement Calvin Johnson effectively in his first season in Detroit last season. The Lions are planning to use more two-TE formations — possibly as their base formation we hear — which would flex out a tight end (likely Tony Scheffler a lot) as the de facto third receiver.

• On the Cardinals' WR front, daily team observers tell us Early Doucet, who came on strong down the stretch last season, has picked up where he left off and continued to look very good in the team's OTAs. We hear Onrea Jones also has made his presence felt and is currently ahead of third-round rookie Andre Roberts for the No. 4 WR role.

• While the Dolphins' coaching staff gave many players chances to take reps with the first unit on offense and defense at offseason practices, the team's first-round pick, DE Jared Odrick, didn't take many reps with the first-team defense. Head coach Tony Sparano cautioned observers not to read too much into the way snaps are distributed at OTAs, however, and Odrick is expected to be heavily involved in the rotation at end, regardless of whether he starts.

• Word is 49ers CB Nate Clements, who up until this offseason might have led the team in terms of working out at the team's facility, is not a happy camper. We hear Clements, who has opted to work out on his own in Arizona this offseason, still might be harboring a grudge for being benched last season.

• We hear one of the most impressive-looking Bears defenders so far this offseason has been S Craig Steltz, who has been making lots of plays and apparently warranting more consideration for one of the starting safety jobs.

• The Falcons haven't made many changes on offense this offseason, but they apparently have expanded their arsenal of plays to run out of the no-huddle. Reports from recent OTAs indicate Atlanta is planning on operating more frequently out of the no-huddle to keep an up-tempo pace

• The Steelers aren't lacking for options at center, even with Justin Hartwig coming back from shoulder surgery. Doug Legursky, whom the Steelers released twice earlier in his career, has worked with the first team and has drawn praise from head coach Mike Tomlin. Rookie Maurkice Pouncey, the club's first-round pick, could factor at right guard or center. The Steelers have even given second-year OG Kraig Urbik some work at center, too. Hartwig, 31, has started all 32 games at center for Pittsburgh in the last two seasons.

• Speaking to Cleveland reporters on June 3, Browns head coach Eric Mangini noted that rookie OG Shawn Lauvao has also worked at center "a little bit." Mangini said the practice reps at center are valuable for Lauvao "because you have to know everything that's going on if you're playing that spot, and ideally he can play any of those three interior spots, center, left guard, or right guard, and you have to know it. If you don't know it, you can't function, and you want him to get comfortable, but you also want him to understand the full concept of the protection." Lauvao, a third-round pick, started at left guard and at both tackle spots at Arizona State but never at center and will primarily play inside at guard for Cleveland.

• We continue to hear rumors out of St. Louis that exiting Rams owners Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez will maintain ownership of a small percentage of the team, which figures to have Stan Kroenke as the majority owner before the summer is over.

• Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo on if he expects more this year out of CB Ron Bartell, who battled injuries in 2009: "Yeah, I mean, I think any player would tell you, when you're dinged up and you're not 100 percent, it works on you a little, but he fought through it. I don't believe he missed a game unless I'm forgetting one there, so to his credit he fought through an injury, and I think every guy will tell you they're happy when they're 100 percent."

• Although he was drafted as a cornerback, we hear the Chiefs did not select Javier Arenas in the second round of the 2010 draft for his coverage ability. Desperately needing help in the return game, Kansas City took the accomplished collegiate returner almost exclusively for his effectiveness bringing back kickoffs and punts — he had seven TD returns during his career at Alabama. It sounds like anything Arenas brings to the secondary will be considered a bonus, as he'll be called upon to be a nickel corner, at most.
 
Mike Vick scares me worse than any quarterback the Eagles ever had. I believe he is why they decided to let McFlap go. You could see a stark difference in speed and arm strength when Vick came in for McDuck. Vick should have been last year's starter. It would have made them a scarier team. If it wasn't for Poodle Olympics, Vick would be named the starter for the Eagles in 2010.
 
Other than Vick's lucky pass when Mike Jenkins got pushed and tripped, he looked awful. He didn't show much of anything as a passer and no longer looked like a dangerous runner.
 
CowboyMcCoy;3426241 said:
Mike Vick scares me worse than any quarterback the Eagles ever had. I believe he is why they decided to let McFlap go. You could see a stark difference in speed and arm strength when Vick came in for McDuck. Vick should have been last year's starter. It would have made them a scarier team. If it wasn't for Poodle Olympics, Vick would be named the starter for the Eagles in 2010.

He isn't nearly as fast as he used to be, and he has difficulty reading defenses and completing passes to open guys. Nothing to worry about.
 
Vick was a shadow of his former self. If he gets it back then it'll be a wash. He doesn't have the passing ability necessary to win big in this league. Kolb is the answer at QB for the Eagles and this will be a year of adjustment for him. I predict the Eagles will not earn a postseason berth this year.
 
Feed Felix Jones the bloody rock and get out of the way.

He will settle your 3-back log-jam "rotation".

Marion Barber should be used to close games and in some short yardage and goalline situations. That is it. That is when you should feed him the rock. Get the lead and pound on people. Seeing him lose weight isn't what I wanted to see.

Play Felix Jones and Tashard Choice.

Felix Jones will take heat off Romo by shortening drives after his explosive plays.

Only Dallas could put Felix Jones in a three back rotation.

Must be the same people who swore up and down that Scandrick was better than Jenkins.
 
41gy#;3426276 said:
Must be the same people who swore up and down that Scandrick was better than Jenkins.

Scandrick was better for a short period of time.
 
masomenos;3426280 said:
Scandrick was better for a short period of time.
Not really. He was better in the slot which got him more playing time and certain people including the media ran with it that Scandrick was better. Jenkins meanwhile had two progress stoppers in front of him in Henry and Pacman on the outside.
 
masomenos;3426280 said:
Scandrick was better for a short period of time.


The only thing Mike Jenkins needed was an opportunity to play, which he only got in the dime for the most part. He did start three games and played very well in them. Pacrat got hurt after he should have been kicked off, and that got Jenkins in the games more. Jenkins played very good, too. Henry starting over Jenkins was frustrating to say the least, especially after Jenkins played so well against the Giants and Tampa Bay, in the middle of the year.

Scandrick was never better than Jenkins, imso. Jenkins had two scrubs blocking his progress and playing time, which are correlated. I said Jenkins was better in 2008, and many declared him a "bust" or crowned Scandrick.

Once Dallas got Henry and Pacrat out of the bloody way, Jenkins took care of Scandrick, easily.

If the Cowboys think that "it doesn't matter who runs the ball" or plays the most at RB, they are in for a rude awakening this year. Garrett has another Super Star in his arsenal. USE HIM!!!!!

Is it going to take getting rid of Marion Barber like Pacrat and Henry in order to let Felix Jones dominate the NFL?

I guess the same goes for Roy Williams. Get ready to ride the pine Dez. You will probably get your hand held like a baby.
 
speedkilz88;3426282 said:
Not really. He was better in the slot which got him more playing time and certain people including the media ran with it that Scandrick was better. Jenkins meanwhile had two progress stoppers in front of him in Henry and Pacman on the outside.


Thank you. Well said.
 
speedkilz88;3426282 said:
Not really. He was better in the slot which got him more playing time and certain people including the media ran with it that Scandrick was better. Jenkins meanwhile had two progress stoppers in front of him in Henry and Pacman on the outside.

Jenkins and Scandrick were on the field for practically the same number of snaps (379 vs 395) their rookie year. Scandrick just flat out played better despite facing the difficulties of being responsible for the slot WR. There's no doubt who's better now but there was a time when Scandrick was playing at a higher level.
 
41gy#;3426276 said:
Marion Barber should be used to close games and in some short yardage and goalline situations.

I seem to remember him getting stuffed back2back2back2back last year; more than once. Now I won't lay all the blame solely at his feet but I'm just sayin'---EMMITT GETS THAT YARD.

I'd like to see what Choice could do with an expanded roll.
 
masomenos;3426251 said:
Vick is one of the most overrated players of the past decade.

At this point in his career, yes. He was never a pure passing QB but he was very dangerous in his day.
 
Muhast;3426261 said:
He isn't nearly as fast as he used to be, and he has difficulty reading defenses and completing passes to open guys. Nothing to worry about.

I usually enjoy reading your post.. you're usually spot on. I also think you're a very lucky man(judging by your sig) - but what is your opinion based on? Do you have specific examples? I saw nothing last year that showed me he had difficulty reading defenses. Completing passes will come with more practice/playing time... as we all know, it's not like a QB can turn it off for 2 years and then turn it right back on and be every bit as efficient as he used to be.
 
'masomenos' is right on....Vick is a joke....on and off the field.
 
masomenos;3426251 said:
Vick is one of the most overrated players of the past decade.

i dont find him to be a good passer at all, a weapon no doubt, and will hit on some passes, but not a deadly passer by any means.
 
Vick has never impressed at reading defenses. It has always been his major drawback and the one thing IMO, that has stopped him from becoming a true difference maker.

Now that his athleticism is beginning to wane a little, he should be even less effective

I honestly think Kolb will be a very solid guy for Philly.
 

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