PFW Edholm: Cowboys’ rookie class not getting it done

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None (Beuhler exempted) of the players drafted were "expected" to start this year. They were drafted for depth and special teams help this . And they are providing that.

Butler has looked good and may be able to compete for a starting position next year.
 

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So far this draft class has been a bust ... with Roy Williams leading the pack.

Hopefully, things will improve.
 

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tomson75;3060585 said:
Edholm = Dumb

No kidding. Our special teams rock and we have these rookies to thank for that. This draft, IMO, was catered around ST's. Damn fine job and they ARE contributing. In ways that mean more than 'starting' at a certain position.
 

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kiheikiwi;3060651 said:
It was the late 90's when Jerry and Co. got too cute drafting nothing but back up's. Very similar to last year !

I don't think it's that similar. What we did this year was take some "future" picks ... guys who could probably contribute on special teams now and develop into position contributors, and possibly starters, later.

Jason Williams has a tremendous upside, but is more potential than player at this point. Brewster was taken with his upside in mind, as was McGee (although neither is a special teammer).

Butler and Brandon Williams are both smaller ends who the coaches think potentially could develop into at least pass-rushing contributors. Hodge showed enough coverage ability and tackling ability to be considered to make the transition to nickel linebacker.

Mike Hamlin, Buehler and John Phillips were probably the only players we kepot really considered to have very little transition to make, so we sort of bet the bank on potential.

My only disappointment so far is that we didn't draft my pet cat Johnny Knox. ;)
 

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This has to be the most moronic analysis of a draft class i've ever read. Wow.
 

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6th round Tight End, John Phillips is JUST a blocker. Apparently, this guy didn't get the memo. You draft the good players in the early rounds. If we thought he was as good as Brandon Pettigrew, he would've been drafted in the 1st, not the 6th. If you get a blocker at his caliber for his rookie year in the 6th round, you've done something right.

Not ONE rookie on the team doesn't have the potential to be a good player. The only person who I don't see being a solid starter is Stephen McGee, but you never know. I see more backup in him, but what the hell did we see in Tom Brady his rookie season?
 

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It takes at least 3 full years to evaluate a draft class. Some rookies get it in their first year, others take a year or two to figure it out. Also, if you have most of your starters in place already, there is little opportunity for the rookies to step in and make a name for themselves.

This columnist is a tool
 

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Eddie;3060691 said:
So far this draft class has been a bust ... with Roy Williams leading the pack.

Hopefully, things will improve.

how many of our rookie picks did you expect to start?
 

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Cover 2;3060584 said:
They're rookies. They're not always going to produce right away. Also Buehler has been pretty good.
You miss-spelled three of your favorite players.
 

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the problem with the last draft class isn't that so many are injured and some cut, etc. The problem was that we wasted a ton of picks and we knew it when we were doing it. Beuhler and Butler are turning out to be decent picks but the rest seem to be worthless. Two of our picks got cut. We went into the draft knowing that we wouldn't be able to keep the 12 or 13 players that we selected, not to mention UDFAs. So it would've been smarter to package some and trade up for better players or package some to trade for first day picks next year. By throwing in another draft pick or two, we easily could've moved up and gotten Unger if we really wanted him, or about anyone else...Maluga maybe...about anyone.
To me one of the biggest whiffs was that we passed on Sean Smith, who would've made the team and probably would've been contributing to what suddenly would've been a very deep and quality secondary and CB corps (not to mention Newman is getting older and to the end of his contract). We also missed, IMO, on WR Mike Wallace, someone who could upgrade our speed at WR and PR. We could've easily had both of those guys and still gotten Butler and Beuhler and still parlayed some other picks to higher rounds next year. I know hindsight is 20/20 and we still haven't seen how well some of these players will pan out but I think we could've gotten all of what I suggested accomplished. To me, this past draft, we used 12 or 13 picks to get 2-3 players and the front office seemed to know it when they were doing it. That just seems really wasteful. Next year's draft is really going to have some studs in the first 20 picks where we could get a future starting LT, a #1 WR, a true 3-4 NT, or etc, and it would've been nice to have a few extra picks and ammo to go get whomever we wanted or an extra player or two.
I guess I'm of the thought that draft fewer, higher quality players is better than a ton of mediocre and camp fodder type players.
 

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John Phillips has been doing his job, last I heard the Cowboy's run offense -offense in general has been pretty good.










Just a fyi there Ed. :D
 

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I have is about Victor Butler not being used enough.

I think they need to give him more snaps, especially on obvious passing downs.
 

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this should surprise no one...Cowboys drafted players with little upside and the few that have some upside( Williams) is very raw... Cowboys went from a great draft of F.Jones, Choice, Bennett and others to getting a kick off speacialist a very athletic but just as raw linebacker and a bunch of limited athletic but productive college players( TimTeabow like players) very good in college but not fast or quick enought to be good NFL players...
 

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I thought the Ranch was the place with all of the whacked out threads....but this has to be right up there.

I understand that there were many people that wanted us to trade up....and I can understand the reasoning behind it. But the thing is, the guys that we supposedly were interested in maybe moving up for, Unger and Delmas and maybe Nicks....wouldn't be contributing any more than the guys we did draft. Unger would not have started over any of our OL starters. Delmas wouldn't have started over Hamlin or Sensabaugh....and Nicks wouldn't have started....he might have been the third WR coming out of camp.

Now, if you want to call a draft a bust because guys aren't starting yet, then this is a bust. Of course, our top pick was lost in training camp, both Williams have had injuries, and Hamlin, the guy most likely to have a chance to contribute early, was out the first six or seven games.

These guys were brought in to contribute this year on special teams, learn the game, and be ready to compete for openings next year and the year after. Brewster is set to be the replacement for Kosier after next year. Butler is here to push Spencer and be a situational pass rusher. The LB's are here to take over Carpenter's role and be ready to replace Brooking. Hamlin is our insurance if we don't resign Sensabaugh. Buehler has made a huge impact in the special teams game....he might make Folk expendable next year.

So let's wait a few years before determining how good this draft was.
 

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Some of my fellow cowboy brothers are sooooo sensitive.

The writer didn't call anyone a bust. He said they weren't getting it done nor showing much promise. It's hard to argue with that, isn't it?

Compare this to last year when we had about five rookies that made major contributions.

Jerry deserves some credit for the 08 draft but he pissssed away the 09 draft class. We'll be lucky if we get three or four guys who contribute meaningfully. Which of these guys starts and when? Maybe one of the linebackers when Brookings retires.
 
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