Phil Savage on Brady Quinn & Playoffs

[Deep_Freeze]

I watched Monday Matchup couple weeks back(Indy vs Chicago) and they got into a discussion about some QB, don't remember who, but Bill was asked something, can't remember, but Bill gave that Parcells stare and said the QB wasn't ready. He believes that a guy should NOT step into that possition without being as close to 100% ready as possible, by Parcells standards. I'm sure he's played guys when he didn't want to, but he feels so strongly about it that it's hard to argue. He feels like it will ruin a guy, and it MAY HAVE happened many times in NFL history. But i'm of a mind, if the cream is gonna rise, it's gonna rise. But Bill is a horse guy, as am i, and you bring young horses along slowly until they are ready and no matter if it's racing or rodeo, you will hurt a horse if you go too fast when he's young. Bill is speaking psychologically with a QB more so than physically like with a horse, but still, he has that mentality and obviously feels strongly. Plus, Bill is a huge MLB guy, and you bring those guys on PAINFULLY slow in most cases. I don't always agree, but he's the HOF coach.

I have to agree with tuna here also, some guys just need more time. It really depends on the guy, and it is the coach's job to evaluate if the guy has the mentality to be ready to start. We all know how cocky Romo is now, but would he have been that cocky if we had thrown him to the wolves early?? Probably not if he was unsuccessful in those first games.

Some guys are ready, some aren't. It takes a good coach's evaluation as soon as he steps on the field for that team, to figure out if a particular guy is ready. Confidence or a lack thereof, can sometimes override talent, both in football and real life.

 

[dogunwo]

I happen to agree with BP on this issue. I think for the most part, you don't ever want to start a rookie QB. Maybe not even the second year either. There are exceptions like Aikman and Manning, but for every Aikman there's 20 David Klinglers. People can easily just "Well they were just busts" but I think half of those first round bust QBs could have been solid (or better) QBs in the NFL if they were brought along slowly.


Plus, there's a WHOLE LOT a QB can learn from the sideline. I think it's that overload of learning those things, plus the things they learn on the field that ruins them. Let them learn what they can learn from the sidelines, then bring them along to the next step of learning, on the field.


Even Aikman has said he came so close to losing his confidence his rookie year. We may have been lucky he got hurt at the end of the season (thereby sparing him having to play the WHOLE season as a rookie), I dunno. I'm glad it worked out with Aikman, but who knows, maybe he could of been even better if he sat out a year and learned from the sidelines? I know he's a HOFer, but you never know. We even had Danny White for him to learn from (till we cut him).

Question your line of thinking a lot of times, but you are on the money this time.

 

[sago1]

Actually I think Parcells is more right then wrong. I just don't think the young QB needs to sit for 3 1/2 years.

Also are we talking about the overall #1 pick like Aikman whose drafted by the worse team in the NFL and is supposed to turn that team around. Or are we talking about a #1 QB who was his team's first pick but maybe taken with later enough in the first round so they are a decent team who can provide pass protection, etc?

The success rate of QBs drafted in the first round hasn't been overwhelmingly successful mostly (I believe) because they were rushed too often to start/produce right away.

 

[tomson75]

It's wiener, stupids. Gosh.

 

[CATCH17]

I watched Monday Matchup couple weeks back(Indy vs Chicago) and they got into a discussion about some QB, don't remember who, but Bill was asked something, can't remember, but Bill gave that Parcells stare and said the QB wasn't ready. He believes that a guy should NOT step into that possition without being as close to 100% ready as possible, by Parcells standards. I'm sure he's played guys when he didn't want to, but he feels so strongly about it that it's hard to argue. He feels like it will ruin a guy, and it MAY HAVE happened many times in NFL history. But i'm of a mind, if the cream is gonna rise, it's gonna rise. But Bill is a horse guy, as am i, and you bring young horses along slowly until they are ready and no matter if it's racing or rodeo, you will hurt a horse if you go too fast when he's young. Bill is speaking psychologically with a QB more so than physically like with a horse, but still, he has that mentality and obviously feels strongly. Plus, Bill is a huge MLB guy, and you bring those guys on PAINFULLY slow in most cases. I don't always agree, but he's the HOF coach.

Thanks for that post and I agree with Bill completely when it comes to the Quarterback.

Some guys you can throw out there and they'll be ok but a lot dont.

I think its just to much to risk financially and would be a wise investment just to let the guy learn on the bench.

 

[Danny White]

It's wiener, stupids. Gosh.

Don't tell that to "dargonking" :laugh2:

 

[burmafrd]

I think it is just as much an individual thing. Some can do it and come cannot. BUT I really believe that throwing a rookie into a situation where he is going to get sacked 50 times has no benefit at all. I think Carr could have been ( and might still be) a good QB; but after 250 sacks in 4 years I really doubt that any QB would be worth a damn. I think Aikman's career was shortened by the beating he took early on.