PI Michael Gallup endzone

[Vtwin]

I'm not sure if 12 men was the other penalty, but there were 2 defensive penalties (one being offsides) and one offensive holding.

That confused me a bit. If the offsides call was accepted, wouldn't anything that happened after it be moot?

 

[RonnieT24]

That was essentially the same play as the controversial non-call in the playoff game against the Lions in 14, which went our way.

The ball hit the defender in the back. The defender has a right to the space he occupies. If the ball had been higher, over the defender, it could have been called PI but because it was underthrown right to the space the defender already owned, it was a good non-call. Just like in 2014, when we benefitted.

No it wasn't.. because Hitchens never made contact with the tight end on that play. This guy ran into Gallup and had his hands firmly planted in his chest just before the ball arrived. Again if you don't want to call it PI then call it illegal contact.. because under no circumstances is it considered "legal" to have BOTH hands on a receiver that far downfield.

 

[MarcusRock]

I'm not sure if 12 men was the other penalty, but there were 2 defensive penalties (one being offsides) and one offensive holding.

2 for 1 penalties offset each other. Has always been that way.

 

[bsbellomy]

Underthrown ball arrived when contact was made.

Contact was made before the ball got there.

 

[MarcusRock]

No it wasn't.. because Hitchens never made contact with the tight end on that play. This guy ran into Gallup and had his hands firmly planted in his chest just before the ball arrived. Again if you don't want to call it PI then call it illegal contact.. because under no circumstances is it considered "legal" to have BOTH hands on a receiver that far downfield.

Hitchens pushed the shoulder of the TE before the ball arrived then put his hands up like he didn't. Flag thrown, picked up, no explanation.

 

[RonnieT24]

Hitchens pushed the shoulder of the TE before the ball arrived then put his hands up like he didn't. Flag thrown, picked up, no explanation.

Hitchens put his hand out after the TE pulled his facemask. Which also went uncalled. Maybe he was trying to dislodge the guys hand from his facemask? I will go watch the play again just to be sure..

 

[aikemirv]

Yes their defense was running guys on and off the field during that play so they got flagged for it. So technically it was two against them and one against us. I have never liked the ability for two or three penalties on the other team to be offset by one against you. The only exception being deadball fouls I guess.

Honestly, nothing should offset 12 men on the field. Any opposing team penalty after that should not even count. It is a stupid rule

 

[aikemirv]

Hitchens pushed the shoulder of the TE before the ball arrived then put his hands up like he didn't. Flag thrown, picked up, no explanation.

So are you saying the contact on Gallup was incidental?

 

[CWR]

Hitchens pushed the shoulder of the TE before the ball arrived then put his hands up like he didn't. Flag thrown, picked up, no explanation.

The offensive player initiated contact though. I thought if anything it would be off-setting.

 

[Vtwin]

No it wasn't.. because Hitchens never made contact with the tight end on that play. This guy ran into Gallup and had his hands firmly planted in his chest just before the ball arrived. Again if you don't want to call it PI then call it illegal contact.. because under no circumstances is it considered "legal" to have BOTH hands on a receiver that far downfield.

Disagree completely.

The ball was in the air so it's PI or nothing. Ball was thrown directly at the defender. The receiver does not have the right to space already occupied by a defender. There was no chance of a completion no matter the contact, caused in part by the receiver trying to come back to get the underthrown ball.

 

[CWR]

Hitchens put his hand out after the TE pulled his facemask. Which also went uncalled. Maybe he was trying to dislodge the guys hand from his facemask? I will go watch the play again just to be sure..

Yeah I couldn't remember how it went down, but I know for a fact the offensive player initiated.

 

[RonnieT24]

Hitchens put his hand out after the TE pulled his facemask. Which also went uncalled. Maybe he was trying to dislodge the guys hand from his facemask? I will go watch the play again just to be sure..

I watched it again.. The TE Pettigrew extends his hand into Hitchens' face and then runs two strides holding onto it before Hitchens knocks it away. Now it could well be that Pettigrew did not MEAN to get his hand caught in Hitchens' facemask but he certainly DID mean to extend his arm to create separation. Anybody know if that's a penalty? Maye we should ask CeeDee Lamb.

 

[MarcusRock]

So are you saying the contact on Gallup was incidental?

Haven't seen the game yet so don't know. I was responding to the "misremembering" that Hitchens pushed the shoulder of the Detroit TE in that playoff game.

 

[RonnieT24]

Yeah I couldn't remember how it went down, but I know for a fact the offensive player initiated.

Yeah I have had people claim that the guy never grabbed the facemask.. WHich I would always counter with this:

 

[Runwildboys]

That confused me a bit. If the offsides call was accepted, wouldn't anything that happened after it be moot?

That was my thought as well.

 

[CWR]

Yeah I have had people claim that the guy never grabbed the facemask.. WHich I would always counter with this:

Nice, yes I've exhausted that argument years ago. No one wants to acknowledge who initiated it.

 

[CWR]

Since this is a Gallup thread maybe Gallup should get some actual props from the fan base.

It was nice to see him show up yesterday and put in solid work. Hopefully there is more to come.

Also at the risk of sounding overly positive (which I'm not currently) Rico was balling.

 

[Twin928]

It was bang bang and either call would have been correct in real time imo. Throw the ball accurately and you don't have to worry about what the refs see

Bang bang the dude never turned to play the ball they called worse earlier

 

[Runwildboys]

2 for 1 penalties offset each other. Has always been that way.

I would have thought the offsides would give us a free play, and the holding penalty would simply negate any positive play we would have gotten, but the offsides would still be accepted.

Clearly I was mistaken, but it seems like the way it should go. What if the hold was because they were offsides?

 

[RonnieT24]

Since this is a Gallup thread maybe Gallup should get some actual props from the fan base.

It was nice to see him show up yesterday and put in solid work. Hopefully there is more to come.

Also at the risk of sounding overly positive (which I'm not currently) Rico was balling.

Yeah Gallup got busy yesterday.. He was our best offensive weapon. It was good to see him show indeed. And it angers me that we didn't go back to him in the red zone more instead of throwing over the middle into the teeth of the defense to a 5'10" receiver. That was either a horrible call by McCarthy or a horrible read by Dak. Take your pick.