PI should be reviewable....

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.....by the defense but not by the offense. The offense already has the advantage because of the PI rule, but that call against Henry was so bad it screams to make PI reviewable by the defensive team. Too many games are decided on ticky-tack PI calls that go for 20 plus yards. Too much of a game changing play for it not to be reviewable. Or maybe I am just too angry at the call last night, I have lost perspective, but when a guy gets called for PI for getting pulled to the ground something is not right. :bang2:
 

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links18;2264258 said:
.....by the defense but not by the offense. The offense already has the advantage because of the PI rule, but that call against Henry was so bad it screams to make PI reviewable by the defensive team. Too many games are decided on ticky-tack PI calls that go for 20 plus yards. Too much of a game changing play for it not to be reviewable. Or maybe I am just too angry at the call last night, I have lost perspective, but when a guy gets called for PI for getting pulled to the ground something is not right. :bang2:

I tend to agree only because of the yardage involved in many of these PI. Unlike other flags you could be talking a 50 or 60 yard penalty. There is no question in my mind that was a very bad call.
 

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That would open a can of worms.

Judgment calls should not be reviewed

Making PI reviewable would lead then to holding calls then so on and so on
 

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Real1st;2264265 said:
That would open a can of worms.

Judgment calls should not be reviewed

Making PI reviewable would lead then to holding calls then so on and so on

Agreed, but something needs to be done in order to take the game out of the refs' hands in order to let the players decide the outcome.
 

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I'm not in favor of making it reviewable, but I think the penalty needs to be 15 yards only, like in college. Some argue that this would increase the number of PI calls because the penalty isn't as substantial, but I find this hard to believe given the number of times that penalty gets called anyways.
 

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Don Corleone;2264335 said:
I'm not in favor of making it reviewable, but I think the penalty needs to be 15 yards only, like in college. Some argue that this would increase the number of PI calls because the penalty isn't as substantial, but I find this hard to believe given the number of times that penalty gets called anyways.


There’s the solution.
 

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Real1st;2264265 said:
That would open a can of worms.

Judgment calls should not be reviewed

Making PI reviewable would lead then to holding calls then so on and so on

I don't know. PI calls are just too critical to the outcome of a game. Not that others aren't important, but a blown PI call can literally hand a team points, particularly when its called in the end zone. Making these calls reviewable by the defense would help restore fan confidence in the integrity of the outcome a little bit. How many times do fans moan about a bad PI call that decided a game? Teams wouldn't challenge every PI call, because they would still fear losing their time outs, etc by challenging a play that isn't likely to get overturned. So I don't think it would slow the game much. I don't know......
 

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Real1st;2264265 said:
That would open a can of worms.

Judgment calls should not be reviewed

Making PI reviewable would lead then to holding calls then so on and so on
I agree it would open a can of worms. Open the can of worms. It is the strictest penalty they call given they spot the ball at the point of foul or 1 yard line. If it was simply a 15 yard penalty I wouldn't really care, but given the severity of the call, open the can.

Yet another reason why I don't like replay. It isn't anywhere near good enough.
 

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I think they should be subject to challenges. They are usually a judgment call and I don't want a ref running 15 yards behind a play to get it wrong and change the outcome of the game. How much would we be complaining about the bs Henry call if we had lost?
 

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Hostile;2264363 said:
I agree it would open a can of worms. Open the can of worms. It is the strictest penalty they call given they spot the ball at the point of foul or 1 yard line. If it was simply a 15 yard penalty I wouldn't really care, but given the severity of the call, open the can.

And that is the difference I see as well. We are not talking a 10 yarder like you have for holding or even a 15 yarder for a personal foul. PI can be 50, 60 yard penalties and I think the review booth should be able to call down on their own when the foul is that blatantly bad. If it a situation where the booth thinks it would go either way they stick to the call on the field but some of these calls like the one on Henry was not even close to being a questionable call it was flat out bad.
 

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Hostile;2264363 said:
I agree it would open a can of worms. Open the can of worms. It is the strictest penalty they call given they spot the ball at the point of foul or 1 yard line. If it was simply a 15 yard penalty I wouldn't really care, but given the severity of the call, open the can.

Yet another reason why I don't like replay. It isn't anywhere near good enough.

I agree. Open the can. So what if holding calls are challengable. You only get so many challanges a game anyway. So what does it matter. It can only take "x" amount of time. And if your wrong you lose a time out. And PI calls can be devestating.
 

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A couple of reversed PI calls would go a long way in keeping receivers from doing what happened to Henry last night. I don't see how that's a bad thing.
 

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kevwun;2264476 said:
A couple of reversed PI calls would go a long way in keeping receivers from doing what happened to Henry last night. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

What got me is the offical standing at the goal line did not throw the flag the side judge who had the worst angle from behind the play threw the flag
 

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kevwun;2264476 said:
A couple of reversed PI calls would go a long way in keeping receivers from doing what happened to Henry last night. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

That and it would also hopefully make the refs think about which way the PI actually went before calling it on the defense all the time.....
 

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Doomsday101;2264484 said:
What got me is the offical standing at the goal line did not throw the flag the side judge who had the worst angle from behind the play threw the flag

Henry's body language during the play and afterwards didn't help, but I see your point.
 

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Don Corleone;2264496 said:
Henry's body language during the play and afterwards didn't help, but I see your point.

I think Henry was shocked that he was being called for the foul. There was nothing Henry could have done to avoid what happened nor did he do anything wrong to draw such a poor call.
 

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Doomsday101;2264505 said:
I think Henry was shocked that he was being called for the foul. There was nothing Henry could have done to avoid what happened nor did he do anything wrong to draw such a poor call.

Oh I agree. The most bizarre thing about that play is that the Eagle receiver took away any chance he had of making a catch by pulling Henry closer to him. Henry actually had really good position, but his back was turned to the ball.
 

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It happens.

Human error nobody is perfect. Atleast it didn't cost us the game.
 
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