Pitch counts on players. how does that work?

[Redball Express]

Just recently..

We got into a discussion about why Amari was on the sidelines at the end of the Iggles loss when the game was on the line.

Many. Including myself were dumbfounded one of our best offensive weapons was idled at such a crucial time in the game.

Even if he had struggled much of the game..

Why not use him as a decoy and draw double coverage even if he does not get the ball?

Garrett stammered his answer about the receiver rotation dictated he not be in the game then.

When was in high school, I had a knee injury that required surgery and was done playing. My HC came to me and asked me to work with him on tracking stats during the game.

So I said yes and followed him a few yards behind him and recorded on a clipboard the # of passes and runs and the yardage gained, plus a diagram chart of each possession.

This was all new for me and as a result I ended up calling the game stats and story of the game for inclusion in the newspaper the Dallas Morning News the next day, Saturday morning.

It then lead to the basketball coach asking me to do a similar routine for him.

My point is, as important as having stats are to games..

who understands this at a deeper level?

It would seem to me personnel decisions with our team are not clear to the players who are playing to win.

I do not think Amari was on a doctor's orders to stand down. This was by the HC and his coaches not thinking things correctly given the point in the game.

The coaches were supposed to be playing to win. They were also playing for their jobs which now are being ended.

Seems like pitch counts and failure to grasp the situation certainly contributed to our end.

This staff deserves to move on.

Comments?

 

[Reality]

I have noticed this a lot more, especially with Cowboys players. You see a lot of "hand up I need a break" actions by players like Elliott and the receivers than you did years ago.

Now, I understand they may want to keep "fresh legs" on the field. The problem is that teams play the offense differently when key players are off the field.

I would think it better in some (not all of course) cases to have the player not even move if he's that tired and still be on the field to keep the defense honest than it would be to bring in a replacement who rarely touches the ball or only does so in specific situations.

 

[big dog cowboy]

In the case of Cooper it was (prepared to be shocked) bad game management by Garrett.

If you thought Cooper was gassed, call a time out!

 

[blumayne38]

Just recently..

We got into a discussion about why Amari was on the sidelines at the end of the Iggles loss when the game was on the line.

Many. Including myself were dumbfounded one of our best offensive weapons was idled at such a crucial time in the game.

Even if he had struggled much of the game..

Why not use him as a decoy and draw double coverage even if he does not get the ball?

Garrett stammered his answer about the receiver rotation dictated he not be in the game then.

When was in high school, I had a knee injury that required surgery and was done playing. My HC came to me and asked me to work with him on tracking stats during the game.

So I said yes and followed him a few yards behind him and recorded on a clipboard the # of passes and runs and the yardage gained, plus a diagram chart of each possession.

This was all new for me and as a result I ended up calling the game stats and story of the game for inclusion in the newspaper the Dallas Morning News the next day, Saturday morning.

It then lead to the basketball coach asking me to do a similar routine for him.

My point is, as important as having stats are to games..

who understands this at a deeper level?

It would seem to me personnel decisions with our team are not clear to the players who are playing to win.

I do not think Amari was on a doctor's orders to stand down. This was by the HC and his coaches not thinking things correctly given the point in the game.

The coaches were supposed to be playing to win. They were also playing for their jobs which now are being ended.

Seems like pitch counts and failure to grasp the situation certainly contributed to our end.

This staff deserves to move on.

Comments?

You can’t not without interrupting the natural flow of a football game...pitch counts on players in football is a myth

 

[xwalker]

Just recently..

We got into a discussion about why Amari was on the sidelines at the end of the Iggles loss when the game was on the line.

Many. Including myself were dumbfounded one of our best offensive weapons was idled at such a crucial time in the game.

Even if he had struggled much of the game..

Why not use him as a decoy and draw double coverage even if he does not get the ball?

Garrett stammered his answer about the receiver rotation dictated he not be in the game then.

When was in high school, I had a knee injury that required surgery and was done playing. My HC came to me and asked me to work with him on tracking stats during the game.

So I said yes and followed him a few yards behind him and recorded on a clipboard the # of passes and runs and the yardage gained, plus a diagram chart of each possession.

This was all new for me and as a result I ended up calling the game stats and story of the game for inclusion in the newspaper the Dallas Morning News the next day, Saturday morning.

It then lead to the basketball coach asking me to do a similar routine for him.

My point is, as important as having stats are to games..

who understands this at a deeper level?

It would seem to me personnel decisions with our team are not clear to the players who are playing to win.

I do not think Amari was on a doctor's orders to stand down. This was by the HC and his coaches not thinking things correctly given the point in the game.

The coaches were supposed to be playing to win. They were also playing for their jobs which now are being ended.

Seems like pitch counts and failure to grasp the situation certainly contributed to our end.

This staff deserves to move on.

Comments?

I have noticed this a lot more, especially with Cowboys players. You see a lot of "hand up I need a break" actions by players like Elliott and the receivers than you did years ago.

Now, I understand they may want to keep "fresh legs" on the field. The problem is that teams play the offense differently when key players are off the field.

I would think it better in some (not all of course) cases to have the player not even move if he's that tired and still be on the field to keep the defense honest than it would be to bring in a replacement who rarely touches the ball or only does so in specific situations.

The "hand up" concept was by design of the coaching staff.

It started with Marinelli's DL rotation where he asked players to go "110%" when on the field and he guarantees he'll keep them rested.

FYI - Cooper had injury issues that made it painful to play.

 

[Reality]

The "hand up" concept was by design of the coaching staff.

It started with Marinelli's DL rotation where he asked players to go "110%" when on the field and he guarantees he'll keep them rested.

FYI - Cooper had injury issues that made it painful to play.

I was not speaking about Cooper. I think most people know he's been dealing with injuries this season.

 

[CB61]

In the case of Cooper it was (prepared to be shocked) bad game management by Garrett.

If you thought Cooper was gassed, call a time out!

Especially on a fourth-down play and that's your last chance at it what the hell Good's of timeout in your pocket going to do

 

[Teague31]

Seems to me Tank played about a quarter of the time. What a joke

 

[JayFord]

This happens all across the NFL

Todd Gurley has been on a pitch count since the nfc championship

 

[Ranching]

In the case of Cooper it was (prepared to be shocked) bad game management by Garrett.

If you thought Cooper was gassed, call a time out!

But, Garrett said it was Moore's call. Lol!!!!

 

[JoeKing]

Watch JJ Watt today, he will be on a pitch count.

 

[Flamma]

This is a bunch of crap. Any old timers here, think back to your childhood. The time before video games and cell phones. How often did you take yourself out of a game due to being tired? Did you ever get tired? People used to play sports hours at a time. How much do these NFL players actually play? A few plays and they're tired? That's ridiculous.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You can’t not without interrupting the natural flow of a football game...pitch counts on players in football is a myth

Snap counts are not a myth. They are regularly used for players returning from injury.

There are definite milestones you do not want to cross like 300 carries for a running back. High impact positions like RB and the defensive front 7 IMO should be rotated constantly.

It requires a different approach to preparation. You cannot simply ignore your backups in practice during the regular season.

i think it is a great idea. The players at the end of the roster are more motivated and you are much more prepared to deal with injuries. Overall, your injuries lessen and it lengthens player's careers. It's just good policy in the short and long term.

 

[SaltyNovice]

Watch JJ Watt today, he will be on a pitch count.

And he was in the game every time it seemed that the next play may determine the winner....Difference in character of the players...

 

[JoeKing]

And he was in the game every time it seemed that the next play may determine the winner....Difference in character of the players...

Did you notice he didn't start the game? They saved him until later when the game got serious.

 

[xwalker]

I was not speaking about Cooper. I think most people know he's been dealing with injuries this season.

Yes, I was referencing the OP with regards to Cooper.

The main player this applies to is Zeke. The coaches asked him to go "110%" while on the field but to come out anytime he needed to come out and to "error" on the side of coming out over staying on the field.

Emmitt had said that Zeke needs to conserve himself (both energy and avoiding injury) by running out of bounds if he has the 1st down and that type of thing.

The coaches decided that they could avoid that by encouraging Zeke to "raise his hand" to come off the field at anytime.

In theory it is a good idea; however, the emotional element of sports and the advantages of having the upper hand on the emotional aspect of games tends to over-ride theory.

Emmitt gutting it out with the bad shoulder gave his team a huge emotional boost and deflated the opponent...maybe even upcoming opponents...