Play Analysis

[xwalker]

Brown comes on a corner blitz. It looks like Dak thinks the hot read is a slant by Cobb. And, frankly, given Cobb's body position in frame 1, I'd have thought Cobb was on the same page. But then it looks like Cobb has second thoughts, realizing that Woods is sitting on the slant, and thinking he has him for 6 down the sideline if Dak sees it too.[/QUOTE]
That makes sense to me.

 

[nyc-cowboy]

Brown comes on a corner blitz. It looks like Dak thinks the hot read is a slant by Cobb. And, frankly, given Cobb's body position in frame 1, I'd have thought Cobb was on the same page. But then it looks like Cobb has second thoughts, realizing that Woods is sitting on the slant, and thinking he has him for 6 down the sideline if Dak sees it too.

Yes - my bad - forgot about Brown.

 

[buybuydandavis]

No wonder they both blamed themselves.

Dak just didn't seem to see Woods. Woods *waited* for Dak to throw. I think he saw that Dak's vision to him was blocked by the G blocking.

Cobb didn't run a route, he just drifted upfield. Conceivably if Cobb had actually run a hard route and came back toward Dak, he might have beat Woods to the ball, but that's an entirely different play. Cobb loafed the entire play. He looked like a running back drifting upfield for a dump off.

Dak threw to him with a clear view of that loafing. He could see Cobb wasn't breaking back toward him, or doing much of anything. He looked like a QB throwing to a presumed wide open rb drifting upfield for a dump off. But for Woods breaking on the ball, the pass would have been complete to Cobb.

Brings up an interesting point. It should have been clear to Cobb that Woods had the jump any pass thrown to him as he was running. For the purposes of my question, assume that's the case. What is he supposed to do in such a case? Sure would be helpful if you WR would do something to prevent the QB from throwing an INT.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Brown comes on a corner blitz. It looks like Dak thinks the hot read is a slant by Cobb. And, frankly, given Cobb's body position in frame 1, I'd have thought Cobb was on the same page. But then it looks like Cobb has second thoughts, realizing that Woods is sitting on the slant, and thinking he has him for 6 down the sideline if Dak sees it too.

With the corner blitz from Brown, the read should have been for Cobb to break in. But I don't see Cobb even considering breaking his route for a slant. He's just floating upfield.

If Cobb saw Woods and thought the right play was to go up the sidelines, he should have broken *hard* upfield to give a clear indication of what he was doing, and to beat Woods.

Ugh. Brown is the guy lining up in front of Cobb. He couldn't have missed Cobb blitzing. But he did nothing to react to it.

 

[xwalker]

No wonder they both blamed themselves.

Dak just didn't seem to see Woods. Woods *waited* for Dak to throw. I think he saw that Dak's vision to him was blocked by the G blocking.

Cobb didn't run a route, he just drifted upfield. Conceivably if Cobb had actually run a hard route and came back toward Dak, he might have beat Woods to the ball, but that's an entirely different play. Cobb loafed the entire play. He looked like a running back drifting upfield for a dump off.

Dak threw to him with a clear view of that loafing. He could see Cobb wasn't breaking back toward him, or doing much of anything. He looked like a QB throwing to a presumed wide open rb drifting upfield for a dump off. But for Woods breaking on the ball, the pass would have been complete to Cobb.

Brings up an interesting point. It should have been clear to Cobb that Woods had the jump any pass thrown to him as he was running. For the purposes of my question, assume that's the case. What is he supposed to do in such a case? Sure would be helpful if you WR would do something to prevent the QB from throwing an INT.

I agree that Cobb didn't really run a route but just drifted upfield.

However, with regards to Dak, look at image 1 and where Cobb is at the point Dak is releasing the ball. Cobb had not yet "not" run a route.

I think they originally wanted to hit a deep pass to Cobb but then Dak expected Cobb to break off the route because of the blitz.

Considering Cobb's experience I wonder if the Cowboys process of having the QB and WR on the same page is different than the way Green Bay does it. As you said, Cobb had to know about the blitz but didn't cut off his route.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I agree that Cobb didn't really run a route but just drifted upfield.

However, with regards to Dak, look at image 1 and where Cobb is at the point Dak is releasing the ball. Cobb had not yet "not" run a route.

I think they originally wanted to hit a deep pass to Cobb but then Dak expected Cobb to break off the route because of the blitz.

Considering Cobb's experience I wonder if the Cowboys process of having the QB and WR on the same page is different than the way Green Bay does it. As you said, Cobb had to know about the blitz but didn't cut off his route.

I don't get the first two sentences because they seem contradictory.

You're probably right that the original route was just straight upfield. Maybe Cobb was loafing because the play wasn't really designed to go to him. Straight upfield shots rarely are. Cobb misses the read on Brown, but Dak doesn't. Dak stares down Cobb at that point, doesn't see Woods, and throws the INT.

Tough row to hoe for Dak, because he knows the opportunity is with the hot read on Cobb, but Cobb isn't behaving as expected. It's no longer executing reads for Dak at that point, but winging it. Woods is sneaky, sees it all, and hides where Dak's sight is obscured.

-1.5 Cobb Missed initial read and loafed.
-.5 Dak Maybe get more conservative when play design goes snafu.
+2 Woods Recognizes the situation, the proper read, that Cobb doesn't react properly, that he can hide from Dak, and then executes on the INT.

 

[xwalker]

I don't get the first two sentences because they seem contradictory.

You're probably right that the original route was just straight upfield. Maybe Cobb was loafing because the play wasn't really designed to go to him. Straight upfield shots rarely are. Cobb misses the read on Brown, but Dak doesn't. Dak stares down Cobb at that point, doesn't see Woods, and throws the INT.

Tough row to hoe for Dak, because he knows the opportunity is with the hot read on Cobb, but Cobb isn't behaving as expected. It's no longer executing reads for Dak at that point, but winging it. Woods is sneaky, sees it all, and hides where Dak's sight is obscured.

-1.5 Cobb Missed initial read and loafed.
-.5 Dak Maybe get more conservative when play design goes snafu.
+2 Woods Recognizes the situation, the proper read, that Cobb doesn't react properly, that he can hide from Dak, and then executes on the INT.

Just envision the throw and route if Woods is not in the frame. The ball is not going where Cobb was located when the ball arrived.

Dak can only "see" Cobb as of image 1. The ball is already out of his hand in image 1.

Woods can only get in front of Cobb if Cobb runs downfield after image 1.

If Cobbs stops at his image 1 location Woods can't get in front of him.

It does not matter what Dak sees after he releases the ball which has already happened in image 1.

 

[Pompey-Cowboy]

Whichever way you analyze this play, I'm just disgusted this thread doesn't mention Zeke. What's wrong with you?

 

[Whirlwin]

I don't know for certain what route Cobb was expected to run.

My question is only in regards to what would have happened if he did run the route differently.

Probably would have been a completion

 

[JustChip]

I agree that Cobb didn't really run a route but just drifted upfield.

However, with regards to Dak, look at image 1 and where Cobb is at the point Dak is releasing the ball. Cobb had not yet "not" run a route.

I think they originally wanted to hit a deep pass to Cobb but then Dak expected Cobb to break off the route because of the blitz.

Considering Cobb's experience I wonder if the Cowboys process of having the QB and WR on the same page is different than the way Green Bay does it. As you said, Cobb had to know about the blitz but didn't cut off his route.

This is what practice and TC are all about. They probably talked about that play right after and will certainly by discussing it in film reviews to “get on the same page.”

 

[bsbellomy]

Mods, please give me leeway on this and delete or ignore the other similar thread.

I want to explore using the super imposed images for discussion.
- This play lends itself well to using the super imposed images.

I was NOT clear when I posted about this play in the other thread.

I do NOT care about who is to blame on this play.
- It's practice. INTs happen.

What if Cobb ran the route differently?

• Specifically, what if Cobb stopped or slanted inside towards Woods?
• Consider where the ball is located at the point of the INT.
• Was it physically possible for Cobb to get between Dak & Woods?

It's not the receivers job to know where the DB is, it's the QB's job. The receiver has to get open and catch the football. It's the QB's job to recognize if the DB has the ability to get there before the ball.

 

[xwalker]

It's not the receivers job to know where the DB is, it's the QB's job. The receiver has to get open and catch the football. It's the QB's job to recognize if the DB has the ability to get there before the ball.

Please read my OP carefully.

I'm not looked to assign blame.

I'm interested in the analysis of the play for the purpose of analysis.
- I'm experimenting with super imposing players in images to show before/after.
- I want to see how it works with regards to facilitating discussions.
- If it works, I'll probably do it on some plays in the regular season where the play and blame does matter.
- If I do it during the season, it will likely be from the All-22 views that not everyone can access.

My question is "what if" Cobb ran the route differently starting at his location in image 1 (Frame 1)?

 

[JoeKing]

Dak failed to take Woods into account. The ball should have never been thrown to Cobb.

 

[JoeKing]

Please read my OP carefully.

I'm not looked to assign blame.

I'm interested in the analysis of the play for the purpose of analysis.
- I'm experimenting with super imposing players in images to show before/after.
- I want to see how it works with regards to facilitating discussions.
- If it works, I'll probably do it on some plays in the regular season where the play and blame does matter.
- If I do it during the season, it will likely be from the All-22 views that not everyone can access.

My question is "what if" Cobb ran the route differently starting at his location in image 1 (Frame 1)?

Differently how? What is the point of analysis if you do not assign blame?

 

[xwalker]

Differently how? What is the point of analysis if you do not assign blame?

You can assign blame, but it's not my objective.

Let's take it one step at a time.

My 1st question to you: What happens if Cobb stops where is he located in image 1 (frame 1)?

 

[JoeKing]

You can assign blame, but it's not my objective.

Let's take it one step at a time.

My 1st question to you: What happens if Cobb stops where is he located in image 1 (frame 1)?

Nothing. Woods is locked on to what Dak is doing with the ball, not Cobb.

 

[AbeBeta]

Where was Cobb supposed to be. Was that a timing play. Did he run the wrong route

These are all things we will never know but some will claim to know.

 

[noshame]

This is a play the safety sees 20 times over OTAs and camp and KNOWS where they want top go with the ball. He read it pre snap.

 

[xwalker]

Nothing. Woods is locked on to what Dak is doing with the ball, not Cobb.

This is the image at the point the INT occurred.

Cobb-1: Cobb at the location when Dak released the ball.

Cobb-2: Cobb when the INT occurred.

If Cobb-1 takes about 2 steps and stops (curl), the ball would be right to him.

 

[JoeKing]

This is the image at the point the INT occurred.

Cobb-1: Cobb at the location when Dak released the ball.

Cobb-2: Cobb when the INT occurred.

If Cobb-1 takes about 2 steps and stops (curl), the ball would be right to him.

Disagree, Wood had the angle on the ball with more speed.