Play Analysis

[Zimmy Lives]

I don't know for certain what route Cobb was expected to run.

My question is only in regards to what would have happened if he did run the route differently.

Here's the deal, X...

Cobb should have cut his route short when he saw the coverage. Woods knew the play was coming and sat on the route. Learning experience for everyone; it's training camp.

Good stuff, though, on your end.

 

[xwalker]

Here's the deal, X...

Cobb should have cut his route short when he saw the coverage. Woods knew the play was coming and sat on the route. Learning experience for everyone; it's training camp.

Good stuff, though, on your end.

Agree.

The bizarre issue is that people claim Cobb could not have prevented the INT even if he altered his route after the ball was leaving Dak's hand.

• I find the claims that "Dak didn't see Woods" as even more bizarre.
• The still image of the ball coming out of Dak's hand shows that Dak had a clear line of sight to Woods.
• Woods was the only defender in the area. It's basically impossible that Dak didn't see him.

 

[xwalker]

Disagree, Wood had the angle on the ball with more speed.

Again, it's Cobb's location at the time Dak released the ball.

NOT Cobb's location once he had run past Woods and was coming back to the ball.

Woods at the point Dak released the ball was on his back foot and just transitioning forwards.

Cobb was multiple yards closer to the spot where the ball arrived than Woods when Dak released the ball.

 

[Corso]

Again, it's Cobb's location at the time Dak released the ball.

NOT Cobb's location once he had run past Woods and was coming back to the ball.

Woods at the point Dak released the ball was on his back foot and just transitioning forwards.

Cobb was multiple yards closer to the spot where the ball arrived than Woods when Dak released the ball.

I'm glad I don't do this for a living.
Because I couldn't.

 

[JoeKing]

Again, it's Cobb's location at the time Dak released the ball.

NOT Cobb's location once he had run past Woods and was coming back to the ball.

Woods at the point Dak released the ball was on his back foot and just transitioning forwards.

Cobb was multiple yards closer to the spot where the ball arrived than Woods when Dak released the ball.

You are not taking into account Cobb's inertia forward. Also, Dak did not throw the ball to where Cobb was in frame one. Had the plan been for Cobb to stop where he was in frame one, his inertia would have been different which Woods would have read and responded by closing in on Cobbs position earlier and still potentially intercepted the ball.

 

[xwalker]

Also, Dak did not throw the ball to where Cobb was in frame one.

The exact spot where Dak threw the ball is shown in the image where Woods makes the INT.

The image shows where Cobb was located relative to where the INT occurred.
- It shows Cobb both at the time of Dak's release and at the time the INT occurred.

The point of the INT is a few few in front of where Cobb was located at Dak's release.

How far do you think it takes and NFL slot WR to come to a stop?

 

[JoeKing]

The exact spot where Dak threw the ball is shown in the image where Woods makes the INT.

The image shows where Cobb was located relative to where the INT occurred.
- It shows Cobb both at the time of Dak's release and at the time the INT occurred.

The point of the INT is a few few in front of where Cobb was located at Dak's release.

How far do you think it takes and NFL slot WR to come to a stop?

Woods can read by a receivers inertia if he's going to stop or continue on. Dak should have never thrown the ball. The video evidence disproves your argument despite your attempts to photoshop in your own narrative in the screencaps.

 

[xwalker]

Woods can read by a receivers inertia if he's going to stop or continue on. Dak should have never thrown the ball. The video evidence disproves your argument despite your attempts to photoshop in your own narrative in the screencaps.

No, it does not.

I posted the video in this thread such that everyone could see both the video and the still images.

 

[JoeKing]

No, it does not.

I posted the video in this thread such that everyone could see both the video and the still images.

Agree to disagree. Woods had Cobb covered no matter how you want to photoshop it to say otherwise. We have the video. I don't know what you think you're proving with your screencaps that we don't see in the video.

 

[xwalker]

Agree to disagree. Woods had Cobb covered no matter how you want to photoshop it to say otherwise. We have the video. I don't know what you think you're proving with your screencaps that we don't see in the video.

The still images are not a conspiracy against you. There is no secret. They come from the video.

The thing that you cannot do with the video is look at the before and after in one view.

With the images I can show Cobb's location relative to the ball both at the time Dak released the ball and at the time of the INT.

The before/after images are aligned with the stationary objects in the the shot (i.e. I align the tents and yard line markers in both images).

At the time Dak released the ball, Cobb was closer to the final spot where the INT occurred than Woods by a significant amount.

At the point the INT occurred, Cobb was 1 or 2 steps behind Woods.

If Cobb could have slowed up by 1 or 2 steps, then he would not have been behind Woods.

It therefore boils down to whether Cobb could slow down after Dak released the ball but before it arrived in Woods hands.

Your opinion is that Cobb could not slow down.

 

[JoeKing]

The still images are not a conspiracy against you. There is no secret. They come from the video.

The thing that you cannot do with the video is look at the before and after in one view.

With the images I can show Cobb's location relative to the ball both at the time Dak released the ball and at the time of the INT.

The before/after images are aligned with the stationary objects in the the shot (i.e. I align the tents and yard line markers in both images).

At the time Dak released the ball, Cobb was closer to the final spot where the INT occurred than Woods by a significant amount.

At the point the INT occurred, Cobb was 1 or 2 steps behind Woods.

If Cobb could have slowed up by 1 or 2 steps, then he would not have been behind Woods.

It therefore boils down to whether Cobb could slow down after Dak released the ball but before it arrived in Woods hands.

Your opinion is that Cobb could not slow down.

Thank you for informing me of my own opinion. and telling me what your photoshopped screencaps accomplish that the video does not. Great job! Is that what you need to hear?

 

[xwalker]

Thank you for informing me of my own opinion. and telling me what your photoshopped screencaps accomplish that the video does not. Great job! Is that what you need to hear?

The extra information in the images makes people angry because it's conflicts with their version of events.

People bail out and start with ad hominem attacks once they realize they can't support their claims but refuse to just admit they were wrong.

 

[bsbellomy]

Please read my OP carefully.

I'm not looked to assign blame.

I'm interested in the analysis of the play for the purpose of analysis.
- I'm experimenting with super imposing players in images to show before/after.
- I want to see how it works with regards to facilitating discussions.
- If it works, I'll probably do it on some plays in the regular season where the play and blame does matter.
- If I do it during the season, it will likely be from the All-22 views that not everyone can access.

My question is "what if" Cobb ran the route differently starting at his location in image 1 (Frame 1)?

Fair enough, I think if you want to discuss a specific play the images no doubt help. Just know that imo still images are going to be misleading because you never know if a player is at full speed, changing direction, accelerating, etc.

 

[JoeKing]

The extra information in the images makes people angry because it's conflicts with their version of events.

People bail out and start with ad hominem attacks once they realize they can't support their claims but refuse to just admit they were wrong.

Since you like to inform me of my own opinion, guess what I'm thinking now.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

What ? ... This is insanity . Where does this recording come from ?!

Moore's new offense is impecable , a work of art . A no huddle masterpiece .