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Yes, he is biased in favor of Dez.

His entire review appeared to be an attempt to take blame away from Dez.

When will you realize that you are the one that is biased...

Sure thing, Dez Sucks. Here you are insisting on it yet claiming I am biased.

If I am biased against anything it is you and your takes after years of experience. You underestimating the time Dak had routinely by over a second only to accuse Dez of error helped underscore that once again.
 

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"It is not helping Dak for Janoris Jenkins to know every route that is coming. I promise you that."
Yes, he said that Dez has a limited route tree.

Read all of his tweets and listen to him on the radio.

Limited route tree means the player is dumb or lazy.
 

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Yes, he is biased in favor of Dez.

His entire review appeared to be an attempt to take blame away from Dez.

When will you realize that you are the one that is biased...

Whole purpose of my review was twofold. I wanted to see how much pressure Dak was under, because there were a couple posters saying he had no time to do anything. That was clearly wrong. I don't think from a pressure standpoint that he faced anything exceptional. He had at least 3 seconds on over half his throws. There were a handful that were quick pressure where he hit the hot read and another handful by play design he was getting it out of his hand immediately. So there were maybe a quarter of the pass attempts were he was under heavy pressure. And he actually completed several of those. The time portion really wasn't a huge issue. My first post about Dak was simply charting the time he had per throw.

The second part was about whether there were open receivers on each play at the time Dak was ready to throw. Dak made a fair amount of good reads and in several cases found the only available receiver to target. In some cases, he hit the right target but made a poor throw...his mechanics were bad. That isn't to say that he didn't miss some big plays....and I admitted that he isn't going to see everything. If his progression has him looking left and someone breaks open on the right chances are it isn't going to be seen.

As far as any receiver, in this case Dez, I didn't specifically watch their routes and really didn't comment about them much, but Dak's throws in his direction were particularly off. That happened earlier in the year also but it seemed in the prior 3 games they were much closer to being on the same page.

If you wanna argue that Dez ran sloppy routes it is a whole different argument. I didn't see him loafing either. I only saw two passes that were catchable and Dez caught one and fumbles it and he fell on the other. The last pass of the game was watchable but the defender hit it first...can't really blame receiver there, but apparently you do.
 

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Yes, he said that Dez has a limited route tree.

Read all of his tweets and listen to him on the radio.

Limited route tree means the player is dumb or lazy.

Or that the coaching staff doesn't ask him to run anything else. I haven't heard anyone in the media say that Dez isn't a hard worker and from a football standpoint I don't think he is dumb. But you have to prove your claim that DEZ SUCKS so you will say anything you can that is a negative. BY the way, it wasn't the WR out late spraying champagne everywhere. It was the QB...maybe he is the one not putting in his work.
 

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they got beat by a good team with a good defense, in ny, it happens to all teams, we just need to let it go.
See what happens the next game.
 

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X, I appreciate your efforts, but I saw some of those plays a lot differently than you did as far as Prescott's accuracy went.
 

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X, I appreciate your efforts, but I saw some of those plays a lot differently than you did as far as Prescott's accuracy went.
No problem.

The way I see it is that if the WR had a chance to catch the ball, then it was good enough. You can't expect perfection from a QB in the NFL.

Sure that lob on the sideline between Witten and Dez was not a good throw, but Dez could have caught it if he reacted properly.

Sure the deep INT was questionable, but Dez made a 50-50 ball into a guaranteed INT by bailing out of the route.

On a crossing route with Dez going right to left, it was not accurate but Dak has thrown to the side away from the defender all season and sometimes that results in an inaccurate throw but it makes it such that if it is inaccurate that it will not be intercepted. Also, Dez slowed up after his cut for some reason. It's hard to see but the DB might have impeded him just ever so slightly. I don't really love those short crossing routes because Romo has missed on them also. I remember him throwing behind Witten a few years ago which resulted in an INT and IIRC it was a pick 6. If you miss you have to led the receiver too much the way Dak did. You can't thrown behind them.

The long throw to Butler was in his hands and then out. If a ball is in the hands of the WR then the throw was good enough.

Sure there were some times that a receiver might have been open and he missed it, but that is really had to analyze because there a QB has a progression of reads. Beasley in a radio interview talked about how he can get open on any snap but getting open at the right time is the hard part. The WR has to know where they are in the progression and try to develop a sense of timing in regards to when they need to be open. If they are the primary read then the time the need to be open is different than if they are the third read in the progression. Once you add in the element of pressure on the QB, then the timing becomes difficult and the fact that some receivers were open at some point in time may or may not be relevant to the timing relative to the QB.

A QB is not going to throw to optimal receiver on every play. No QB in the NFL does that. When everybody does their job including blocking and then the QB hit the WR in the hands, it really kills the team if that WR does not catch it or if the catches it and then fumbles.

The bottom line is that Dak made enough good throws to give them a good chance to win. Butler need to catch that would be TD. Dez needs to not fumble after Dak made a perfect pass to convert on 3rd down. TWill needs to catch the pass on that slant that hit him in the hands and was in the perfect spot away from the defender.
 

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Butler need to catch that would be TD. Dez needs to not fumble after Dak made a perfect pass to convert on 3rd down. TWill needs to catch the pass on that slant that hit him in the hands and was in the perfect spot away from the defender.

I do agree with you on these three.
 

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Or that the coaching staff doesn't ask him to run anything else. I haven't heard anyone in the media say that Dez isn't a hard worker and from a football standpoint I don't think he is dumb. But you have to prove your claim that DEZ SUCKS so you will say anything you can that is a negative. BY the way, it wasn't the WR out late spraying champagne everywhere. It was the QB...maybe he is the one not putting in his work.
Come on Mayne.

If they don't have him run all the routes it's because he is not good at running them. People have laughed about his limited route running skills for a long time. Remember Patrick Peterson openly laughing about Dez and his limited route tree a few years ago?
 

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Bob Sturm ‏@SportsSturm 6m6 minutes ago

Bob Sturm Retweeted Marcus Mosher

It is not helping Dak for Janoris Jenkins to know every route that is coming. I promise you that.


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Bob Sturm ‏@SportsSturm 11m11 minutes ago


Dez is in the right slot - Dig every time. Dez is on right on his own - Go. Dez is on the left - Slant/Go. The end.


LOL!

This is very concerning to me. Dez needs to learn to run a better array of routes. Sad because he is a 7 year vet. I expect more out of a $70 million WR.
 

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It's amazing that Dez was able to have 3 straight years from 2011 - 2014 where he went over 1200 yards and 12+ TDs every season when he only has a couple of routes. Just lucky I guess.
 

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It's amazing that Dez was able to have 3 straight years from 2011 - 2014 where he went over 1200 yards and 12+ TDs every season when he only has a couple of routes. Just lucky I guess.
When a player is super athletic then they can get away with being a limited route runner and not being very good from a technique perspective; however, Dez seems to have lost a step now and has no "learned" expertise to offset the lost step.
 

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Complete Beasley also wide open
Incomplete - Dez crossing. Zero spacing between Dez and defender Terrible throw. Witten was open and was a better target.
Incomplete – Zeke, led him just a little too much but not a great effort by Zeke. This ball has to be in front (which it was), not behind the receiver. Dak had to move in the pocket due to pressure. Had 4+ seconds before pressure, bad throw.
Complete – Twill Had Witten wide open for first.
Incomplete – Good pass, Zeke drops the ball. Maybe there is a reason they are using Dunbar on 3rd downs. 4 seconds, had Dez wide open, rushed dump off
Incomplete – Long pass to Butler. Has it in both hands and it slips between his hands and body. Can’t really ask for a better pass considering the coverage. Underthrown when Butler was past the defender. Butler adjusted and should have made catch but this was not a good throw. If thrown into deep end zone easy catch.
Complete – TD to Twill who is wide open. Yep

Complete – Witten others also open but good choice
INT – Dez falls down. Dez made an off balance cut and falls. Can't fault either one. **** happens.

Sack – Dak held the ball for about 3.5 seconds. They had Joe Looney on the outside blocking the DE with no help. He is a Guard and can’t block a DE on an outside rush. I'd say over 4 seconds easy, but there was no one open. Witten breaks free late but Dak is not in position at that point to throw.
Incomplete – Throw is planned for Dunbar but Dak has to just throw it away due to LB undercutting the throw. It was 3rd/11 and all other routes were long. Pressure forced Dak to get rid of the ball. They might want to consider a receiver running short of the sticks even on 3rd/11. Pressure came late, this was a designed screen and I think Dak never saw the defender....I think it was just a bad pass that he is lucky to have got away with. That was a pick 6.
Complete – Dak reads the unblocked blitzer immediately and throws short to Beasley. Obvious offsides, took penalty.
Incomplete – Dak put the ball right on Twills hands and away from the defender but this is the type of throw that Twill struggles to catch. Twill has problems on shallow slant routes where he does not have time to adjust. He can catch it on deeper slant routes but the short ones cause him problems. Should have caught.
Sack – Dak tried to bail out of the pocket but ran right into a defender. He should have thrown the ball away but he has made several positive plays this season on similar bail outs. He only held is 3 seconds before bailing out. Closer to 4 secs before bailing out, Zeke open in flat, Witten open in middle coming back
Incomplete – DB obviously interfered with Beasley but it was not called. The ball is complete without the interference. Should have been PI, Zeke also open.
Complete – Dak has to dump to RB due to pressure. No conversion on 3rd down. Dunbar only option

Complete – Pressure at 2 seconds forced Dak to bail out and throw short to Beasley. Best option
Complete – Dak hits Beasley with good throw despite pressure right in his face. Witten also open
Complete – Pass to Dunbar with pressure in his face. Only open guy at time of throw
Complete – Pass to Twill. Not bad but Beasley was streaking past defense wide open for likely TD or at very least better FG position.

Incomplete – Dez misjudged the throw. Should have been an easy catch. I still don't know if he overthrew Witten badly or underthrew Dez badly. Funny that you are blaming receiver here.
Incomplete – Dak hit as he throws. Nothing there

Incomplete – Dak rolls out and hits Witten in the hands with the ball but the defender hit Witten just after the ball arrived. Terrible, almost killed Witten
Complete – Dak had to throw short of the yard markers on 3rd down due to an unblocked pass rusher. Right dec, only one open at time

Complete – Nice roll out and completion to Beasley. Witten open uncovered for bigger gain in middle.
Complete/Penalty – Quick pass to Beasley with good gain but called back to holding by Twill. Same route combo on other side, might have been better to go to other side.
Sack – Flushed out at 2 seconds. Maybe should throw it away, but should a QB really just throw it away after 2 seconds? You are crazy. He had closer to four seconds and missed a wide open Dez as he climbs pocket.
INT – Dak threw into double coverage but Dez bailed out on the route. Play started at 48 of Dallas. Dez breaks free at NYG 40 with no one near him, Dak throws when he is at the 30 and leads him right into coverage. I'm sorry but this is all on QB.

Complete – Short throw to Witten. Only option
Incomplete – Pass directly to Dez but defender under cut it with his helmet. This is where the All-22 would help. It appears that Dez drifted upfield making it easier for the defender but maybe Dak could have thrown to the opposite side of Dez away from the defender. Terrible throw behind dez, could have been lobbed in front and no one was there to make play over top.
Complete – 13 yards to Twill. Dak getting hit as he throws. Nice.
Incomplete – Attempt to Dez. Pressure forced early throw. Zeke blocked blitzer too low. Multiple receivers open, poor throw. Qb had time.
Incomplete – Dak getting tackled as he throws towards Dez. CB is right on Dez (no separation). First read was to right, had Butler with a step in single coverage, came off this and had to throw to Dez late. Missed opportunity.
Complete – If the throw was a few inches more in front of Twill, it would likely have been a 1st down, but Dak has a free rusher in his face and has to throw around a LB that is trying to block the pass. Good decision under pressure.

Incomplete – Dak under pressure has to throw it away. Had time early, then rolled out, horrible decision should have been picked. Throw it away out of bounds.
Complete – Short pass to Dunbar. Missed Beasley breaking open...up hash and then out, wide open.
Complete/Fumble – Dak makes perfect pass while under pressure. Dez gets 1st down then fumbles. Good throw.

Incomplete – Short attempt to Witten. This is one of few passes that did appear to get away from Dak; although he might have just been throwing it away as Witten would have minimal if any gain on the catch. Airmailed. LOS was 3, would have been a 4 yd gain at minimum.
Incomplete – Dak holds the ball less than 3 seconds before being flushed out of the pocket. Trys to hit Dunbar while fading way but was just over his head. Bad but not any real option.
Incomplete – Pass blocked on attempt to Beasley. Nothing really open.
Incomplete – Dez has both hands under the ball. The defender gets his hand in but it was still catchable. The one play that I thought Dak could have run easily for first when he stepped up...middle of field wide open. Defender hits ball first. Hilarious to try and say Dez should have caught.


Two sides to almost every play. I think you clearly are trying to put Dak under more pressure than he was....several of your times that you say he had pressure it is highly exaggerated. There were several wide open receivers that were missed, several for big plays and possible TD's.

Fair analysis much closer to reality, the different versions of the 2nd interception and the Butler under-throw are entertaining. I appreciate X spending the time to put together the framework though, makes it easier to record one's own observations. 3.5+ secs in the pocket for sure on many of those incompls.
 

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Yes, he said that Dez has a limited route tree.

Read all of his tweets and listen to him on the radio.

Limited route tree means the player is dumb or lazy.

Or it could mean that he has a limited tree because of the offense. You know like when TO was here and the complaint was how he was used.

You provided no evidence, other than your opinion. Sturm has also written extensively about how playcalling with your boy Garrett was awful.
 

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Or it could mean that he has a limited tree because of the offense. You know like when TO was here and the complaint was how he was used.

You provided no evidence, other than your opinion. Sturm has also written extensively about how playcalling with your boy Garrett was awful.
"Read all of his tweets and listen to him on the radio."
 

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I appreciate the work but when you read through that, it seems that basically Dak did great for 90% of the drop backs and it was someone else's fault on all those plays.

Not quite buying that.
 
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