play not to lose, will this change BP's perspective ?

[Portland Fanatic]

Nice deflection. So I guess those 52% of the losses have come because Parcells is too gutless to open up the offensive attack.

I'm sure you've done your homework and seen that Parcells actually has two of the top 5 all time offenses in pass attempts per season, so I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

IR...I wish BP was calling plays...Payton was. Trust me they do not have time to collaborate before every call. I loved how we opened things up last year...even with ole' Vinny. Payton is so scared of turning the ball over he is only calling plays that have zero risk. Zero risk = zero points!

 

[peplaw06]

IR...I wish BP was calling plays...Payton was. Trust me they do not have time to collaborate before every call. I loved how we opened things up last year...even with ole' Vinny. Payton is so scared of turning the ball over he is only calling plays that have zero risk. Zero risk = zero points!

The most telling example of this was that play on 3rd and 15 from the Commanders 35, when Payton called the dive with Tyson Thompson... no yards gained, crowd was booing, and Cortez booted a 40 yard FG to go up 13-0. I think that was the momentum changer. The Commanders said "Hey look, they think 13 points is enough." Nothing's changed, we still seemed scared to win one. :bang2:

 

[zagnut]

Check the game stats. The offense was considerably more open this week. The only difference is we played a better defensive team, so we didn't score as many points. And the offense didn't commit drive killing penalties against San Diego like they did against the Commanders.

The bottom line is that the secondary came up with a big play with the game on the line against San Diego, and gave up two big plays with the game on the line against the Commanders.

Which stats?

Vs. WASH
-- 4 passes to WRs or TEs beyond 10 yards, 1 of which was on a flea flicker and another that was on a busted 20 yard play that started off with a fumble from the snap.

-- That's yardage of 16, 70, 43, and 20.

-- We completed 10 passes under 10 yards to WRs and TEs.

-- Only 9 out of Bledsoe's 21 completions went to WRs. 10 if you include that silly WR screen to Price, which I won't.



Vs. SD
-- We threw 11 passes beyond 10 with no odd plays that artificially boosted the numbers.

-- The completions went for 32, 14, 20, 12, 13, 13, 25, 18, 15, and 13.

-- We completed only 5 passes under 10 yards to WRs or TEs.

-- 14 out of Bledsoe's 18 completions went to WRs.



We did not play more conservatively vs SD. Not even close.

Washington's rush was not much more than San Diego's beyond the first quarter, and while Springs and Harris are better than Jammer and Florence, they aren't pro bowlers either. One trick play does not constitute agressive play calling.

Most of the passes completed vs Washington were short quick-hit routes into the flat. In SD, the routes were mostly intermediate routes that hit the WR heading forward.

 

[Wolverine]

Which stats?

Vs. WASH
-- 4 passes to WRs or TEs beyond 10 yards, 1 of which was on a flea flicker and another that was on a busted 20 yard play that started off with a fumble from the snap.

-- That's yardage of 16, 70, 43, and 20.

-- We completed 10 passes under 10 yards to WRs and TEs.

-- Only 9 out of Bledsoe's 21 completions went to WRs. 10 if you include that silly WR screen to Price, which I won't.



Vs. SD
-- We threw 11 passes beyond 10 with no odd plays that artificially boosted the numbers.

-- The completions went for 32, 14, 20, 12, 13, 13, 25, 18, 15, and 13.

-- We completed only 5 passes under 10 yards to WRs or TEs.

-- 14 out of Bledsoe's 18 completions went to WRs.



We did not play more conservatively vs SD. Not even close.

Washington's rush was not much more than San Diego's beyond the first quarter, and while Springs and Harris are better than Jammer and Florence, they aren't pro bowlers either. One trick play does not constitute agressive play calling.

Most of the passes completed vs Washington were short quick-hit routes into the flat. In SD, the routes were mostly intermediate routes that hit the WR heading forward.

InmanRoshi just got OWNED!!!

 

[Jimz31]

I've coined a new name for that, I call it the Prevent Offense and it stinks as bad as the prevent defense.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Jimz31]

Which stats?

Vs. WASH
-- 4 passes to WRs or TEs beyond 10 yards, 1 of which was on a flea flicker and another that was on a busted 20 yard play that started off with a fumble from the snap.

-- That's yardage of 16, 70, 43, and 20.

-- We completed 10 passes under 10 yards to WRs and TEs.

-- Only 9 out of Bledsoe's 21 completions went to WRs. 10 if you include that silly WR screen to Price, which I won't.



Vs. SD
-- We threw 11 passes beyond 10 with no odd plays that artificially boosted the numbers.

-- The completions went for 32, 14, 20, 12, 13, 13, 25, 18, 15, and 13.

-- We completed only 5 passes under 10 yards to WRs or TEs.

-- 14 out of Bledsoe's 18 completions went to WRs.



We did not play more conservatively vs SD. Not even close.

Washington's rush was not much more than San Diego's beyond the first quarter, and while Springs and Harris are better than Jammer and Florence, they aren't pro bowlers either. One trick play does not constitute agressive play calling.

Most of the passes completed vs Washington were short quick-hit routes into the flat. In SD, the routes were mostly intermediate routes that hit the WR heading forward.

Just more evidence that BP/Payton believed what they HEARD....that the Skins would blitz the crap out of us.

From the get-go, it was evident that we allowed THEM to dictate what we would run....we played like that for the entire game.....scared! Scared of their defensive schemes that were highly touted by the mediots.

It's past time we dictated to everyone else.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Which stats?

Vs. WASH
-- 4 passes to WRs or TEs beyond 10 yards, 1 of which was on a flea flicker and another that was on a busted 20 yard play that started off with a fumble from the snap.

-- That's yardage of 16, 70, 43, and 20.

-- We completed 10 passes under 10 yards to WRs and TEs.

-- Only 9 out of Bledsoe's 21 completions went to WRs. 10 if you include that silly WR screen to Price, which I won't.



Vs. SD
-- We threw 11 passes beyond 10 with no odd plays that artificially boosted the numbers.

-- The completions went for 32, 14, 20, 12, 13, 13, 25, 18, 15, and 13.

-- We completed only 5 passes under 10 yards to WRs or TEs.

-- 14 out of Bledsoe's 18 completions went to WRs.

You're only counting completions. If pass down the field falls incomplete does that not indicate an aggressive game plan merely because the WR didnt' catch it?

The bottomline is that Bledsoe had 30% more pass attempts in this game than in the San Diego game. In the San Diego game we ran the ball more than we threw the ball. The opposite in the Washington game.

The drive in between Washington's TD scores in the final 5 minutes that supposedly so conservative and playing not to lose?

1st play ... play action pass. Bledsoe short hops Keyshawn for what should have been a 17 yard gain.

2nd play .. Julius runs to the right for 8 yards and gets a face mask call for a 1st down.

3rd play ... Julius right for minimum gain.

4th play ... Bledsoe looks deep. Throws the ball away before taking the sack (why does that not make the Bledsoe complainers from last week ecstatic?)

5th play ... 20 yard out route completion to Keyshawn, nullified by Flozell Adams penalty. Should have iced the game.

6th play ... 14 yard completion to Witten.

6 plays, 4 passes ... all down the field. None of them dink and dunks. Yet whiney, revisionist fans write that Parcells calls a conservative game and begins to play "not to lose". Go figure. In reality, If anything Parcells was probably too aggressive in that drive. If Parcells have fed the ball to Julius for all 6 plays, Washingon would have had very little time left.


In the end it all boils down to the players didn't make the plays when it came nut cutting time. That's all it amounts to. All the crying and pouting in the world doesn't change it. The players were put in a position to win, and they choked it away. And it wasn't our mediocre or young players either. Its the guys who have fans wearing their jersey replicas in Texas Stadium. I think that's part of the problem ... there's no easy scapegoats in this one.

 

[InmanRoshi]

InmanRoshi just got OWNED!!!

While I disagree with zagnut's premise, I appreciate and respect his opinion. He probably put more time, thought, research and elbow grease into that post than you've put into 3 months of yours combined.

Now go run along and conjure up another conspiracy theory about our 3rd string QB. As if anyone even cares anymore.

 

[Cowchips]

Any team up by 13 points would play conservatively. You have to. Everyone would be screaming if they turned it over at that point. After the first touchdown, they opened it up a bit but penalties killed the drive. People also forget this offense is only 6 weeks old. It will improve as the season progresses.