Players moving to oust Upshaw

[kevwun]

It's about time. I don't know how he's kept his job for this long.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3336017

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and there was much rejoicing.

 

[theogt]

I loved this quote from Upshaw about appointing a #2 a couple weeks ago:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/31/upshaw-digging-in/

“There is only one No. 1 and there will not be a No. 2,” Upshaw told SportsBusiness Journal for its March 31 issue. “Number 2 is always trying to become No. 1 and never wants to wait. They can always do it better. They are like backup [quarterbacks]. There is a reason they are backups.”

Guy seems like a jerk.

 

[kevwun]

A jerk who doesn't do his job which leads to lopsided agreements that cause problems down the road.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

But the bad news is that Upshaw has always been pretty management-friendly. I'm sure the players want a bigger piece of the pie.

And that could mean hello strike at the next CBA.

 

[theebs]

But the bad news is that Upshaw has always been pretty management-friendly. I'm sure the players want a bigger piece of the pie.

And that could mean hello strike at the next CBA.

ehhh.

Who likes football anyway.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

The owners love him because he's such a lousy leader of the players.

 

[InmanRoshi]

For some reason I always think about the urban legend that Michael Irvin actually drop trou and moon Upshaw and had to be physically restrained when he announced the CBA in the mid -90's?

 

[Kangaroo]

But the bad news is that Upshaw has always been pretty management-friendly. I'm sure the players want a bigger piece of the pie.

And that could mean hello strike at the next CBA.

I have not seen one players union win a holdout

Baseball Players lost and caved not as bad as some but still caved and took a worse deal then they had to because they decided to strike

Basketball players got locked out and ended up with a worse deal

If there is a strike with the amount of money players get they lose and lose big. So far every pro sports union that has had a strike deal got worse not better so all striking got them was less than the original deal on the table by owners

 

[kevwun]

I don't know if a strike will happen, but the owners are going to have to make some concessions. Contrats need to be guaranteed and a rookie contract scale similar to what the NBA has needs to be implemented.

 

[Hostile]

I bet you there are some nervous owners over this.

I think the players do need to get a new rep. Someone more level headed than Upshaw has been. Who was it that he threatened a year or so ago? That player and his wife were genuinely concerned.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I bet you there are some nervous owners over this.

I think the players do need to get a new rep. Someone more level headed than Upshaw has been. Who was it that he threatened a year or so ago? That player and his wife were genuinely concerned.

Maybe maybe not. The dude is an idiot. When he threatened publicly to fight Ditka or whoever it was i realized he was stupid.

Surrenduring all that power to the league in terms of disciplining players was monumentally stupid. Harsher punishments fine but ceding all right to appeal a ruling was just monumentally stupid.

Also Adam and i got into a tiff about the amount of money he brokered, he really got the players less than baseball and basketball. Baseball has no cap and when ARod is getting $30+mil a year that says something.

As for basketball, yes the NFL has a cap around 60% of revenues and basketball at 56% but the NFL cap is a hard cap whereas NBA teams can go over the cap and do go way over the cap. The luxury tax threshold is much much higher.

In all, Upshaw is awful from his handling of the ex players, whether or not the union is responsible notwithstanding, to his brokering of the current CBA, to his capitulation to Goodell, he needs to go.

 

[Hostile]

Maybe maybe not. The dude is an idiot. When he threatened publicly to fight Ditka or whoever it was i realized he was stupid.

Surrenduring all that power to the league in terms of disciplining players was monumentally stupid. Harsher punishments fine but ceding all right to appeal a ruling was just monumentally stupid.

Also Adam and i got into a tiff about the amount of money he brokered, he really got the players less than baseball and basketball. Baseball has no cap and when ARod is getting $30+mil a year that says something.

As for basketball, yes the NFL has a cap around 60% of revenues and basketball at 56% but the NFL cap is a hard cap whereas NBA teams can go over the cap and do go way over the cap. The luxury tax threshold is much much higher.

In all, Upshaw is awful from his handling of the ex players, whether or not the union is responsible notwithstanding, to his brokering of the current CBA, to his capitulation to Goodell, he needs to go.

He's stupid just for offering to fight Ditka. Ditka would kill him IMO.



I think the player I was thinking of was Joe DeLamaluere (sp?)

 

[Chief]

Guy seems like a jerk.

Like Donald Fehr of MLB, the epitome of arrogance.

It's like these union leaders have a lifetime job and get to the point that they're invincible and can do anything they want, when they want.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's stupid just for offering to fight Ditka. Ditka would kill him IMO.



I think the player I was thinking of was Joe DeLamaluere (sp?)

I wish Ditka would kill him.

I know he was saying hed kick someones booty regarding that whole explayers fiasco. He just made the problem worse.

 

[kevwun]

Fehr is a jerk who refuses to compromise, even if said compromise is for the good of baseball. At least he'll stand up for the players, though.

 

[Nightshade]

I bet you there are some nervous owners over this.

I think the players do need to get a new rep. Someone more level headed than Upshaw has been. Who was it that he threatened a year or so ago? That player and his wife were genuinely concerned.

Joe Delamielleure is the HOF player's name.
and here's an article about Upshaw's threat

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2893714

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I have not seen one players union win a holdout

Baseball Players lost and caved not as bad as some but still caved and took a worse deal then they had to because they decided to strike

Basketball players got locked out and ended up with a worse deal

If there is a strike with the amount of money players get they lose and lose big. So far every pro sports union that has had a strike deal got worse not better so all striking got them was less than the original deal on the table by owners

You're right...

But in most cases, the players don't care about the long-term good of the game. They just want as much as they can get right now.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You're right...

But in most cases, the players don't care about the long-term good of the game. They just want as much as they can get right now.

Players blame him for there current situation but to me, the players were gready to begin with. The players demanded more money and the league kinda forced the owners to give in but the reason they gave in was so that they could get a free hand at how the league would be cleaned up IMO. They gave more money but they gained the ability to basically give Goodell the power to do what needed to be done. In return, the players looked the other way and accepted the money. That's how I see it anyway.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Frankly, I can't believe the NFL Owners have had it this good for this long. The only major professional sport with a hard cap AND they gave the owner's franchise tags on top of that. Free agency in the NFL is basically a joke. The NFL players are 15 years behind basketball and 30 years behind baseball. The players association has to get rid of the franchise tags. It gives the owners all the bargaining leverage for contracts.