Players, Not Coaches - Jerry Is Not The Best Owner

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As I have stated before there was a vitriolic debate back in the day when this site was at another location about coaching and players. The prevalent theory was that coaching would straighten this team right up.

But there were a few of us that maintained that coaching was not the fulcrum here, but the players were.

That theory was dashed on the rocks by the cool guys, and I suggested they discounted it because with the cap, you cannot change out the players like spark plugs. So the folks backing the "head coach is the problem set" did so because you are married to the players, but not the coach.

Path of least resistance.

But the problem is pretty clear now. When you are scouring the pavement for people to play defense, then you have an issue when you meet up with good offensives teams.

The problem is obviously the players.

Now this does not absolve Opie at all. I imagine the last time he actually stuck his head into a defensive meeting he was looking for the restroom and made a wrong turn.

But the coaching staff for the defense gets max effort out of these guys. They just don't have the talent to succeed with a pass rush.

So to boil this down, Jerry spent too much money on the wrong area of the defense along with injuries which means a good college team could score over 38 on this team.

Which brings us to the second point.

I see the comments that Jerry is a great owner. That is false.

Jerry is a great businessman. That is the extent of his expertise.

If Jerry was a great owner he would fire the GM immediately and seek someone who understood building a team.

Next he would sit the President of Player Personnel down and extract his rectum with pliers until he - Stephen - understands this team needs to get on the right side of the cap.

Then the fire sale would commence and all the parts would be sent to other teams.

Then after several years of actually sucking on ice, the team would be rebuilt in the image of the GM that understands how to assemble a football team that wins.

But Jerry - the owner - will not do this. He will continue redoing contracts because he painted himself in a corner with Ware and Romo - gave too much money to people like Austin and Scandrick - gave away the farm for Carr and Clai - and poor-boyed the offensive line instead of building through the draft.

The results you see is the fault of a man who thinks he knows football, hires the wrong coaches, fires the wrong coaches, gives out ridiculous contracts for past performance instead of future returns, and foists himself into the scene by making rambling press conferences like the one after the game last night where he sounded like he needed to have an immediate Geritol transfusion.

There will be no magic scenario that turns this franchise around. What you see is what will be.

This team will now play down to their level of leadership and go 1-2 the rest of the way and end up missing the play-offs - again - and being 8-8.

No amount of hope will change this. They are what they are, because they were built this way.
 

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Good post. Poor general managment has doomed this team. Absolutely. The problems we have now are systemic.

Though I wouldn't limit Jerry's poor decisions to our personnel. Hiring Garrett will prove to be one of his biggest mistakes.

That is, Players AND Coaches. Not one or the other
 

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Good post, however for the first time I did not see "max effort" last night. It has to be tough mentally to continually get beat when you know there's nothing you can do. If you don't have the talent to play, there is really nothing you can do. Rudy can be great for a play, but you'll lose every game with him.

But I thought the best line of your post and one that will stick with me for a long time is this - we are built to be 8-8. That is spot on and an awful truth.
 

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Good post. Poor general managment has doomed this team. Absolutely. The problems we have now are systemic.

Though I wouldn't limit Jerry's poor decisions to our personnel. Hiring Garrett will prove to be one of his biggest mistakes.

That is, Players AND Coaches. Not one or the other

Gaede - I am trying not to write a book in every post now. People tire of reading them, so I am limiting myself. However, you may look are see that I am failing at that miserably.

I agree, Garrett is a problem. I should have articulated this better.

I believe the coaches on defense do have a system that works. Championship level? Well that may be a stretch because you would need to replace a great deal of players now to make this work.

So forgive me for not stating the case against Garrett in a more clear fashion.

The mere fact this team is still one of the most penalized after the Redhead has had the reins for seven years is enough to send him to Oakland for me.
 

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I agree, Garrett is a problem. I should have articulated this better.

I believe the coaches on defense do have a system that works. Championship level? Well that may be a stretch because you would need to replace a great deal of players now to make this work.

So forgive me for not stating the case against Garrett in a more clear fashion.

The mere fact this team is still one of the most penalized after the Redhead has had the reins for seven years is enough to send him to Oakland for me.

Understood. You did articulate this very well in your post, just the title that was misleading.
 

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The NFL is about coaching coaching coaching. More than any other sport. And we have none. Belichick would take this same team and go 13-3 with them period.
 

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The NFL is about coaching coaching coaching. More than any other sport. And we have none. Belichick would take this same team and go 13-3 with them period.

This may be the most ridiculous statement I have ever read on this or any other board except when I accidentally clicked into an OMG board and some prepubescent teenaged girl laid claim to Miley Cyrus will win an Oscar for her acting performance in The Last Song.

Please, this game is about talent on the field. Belicheat could draw up plays in the sand all day long and if the players could not execute them because they don't have the talent, it would not matter.
 

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Yup. As long as Jerry is here, doing whatever he does, making money off this team, the Cowboys will accomplish nothing on the football field. It's become deeper than just him being a GM. Unfortunately, he won't get the heat Al Davis did over the last 10 years because that is the beauty of 8-8 for him. Just good enough. He'll never let them hit rock bottom with 3-13, 4-12 seasons.
 

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Then the fire sale would commence and all the parts would be sent to other teams.

Then after several years of actually sucking on ice, the team would be rebuilt in the image of the GM that understands how to assemble a football team that wins.
A complete rebuild is not possible with Romo's contract.

The Cowboys can't trade players like Ware because of their contracts. Other teams would not pay 12.25M for a declining 32 year old player if he was a free agent. They definitely wouldn't pay that and give up a draft pick for the right to do it.

A radical rebuild would be to cut Ware, Austin and Witten and not re-sign Hatcher. They could consider cutting Free if Parnell and Weems can live up to their physical abilities.


Due to the fact that they can't cut Romo due to the massive dead-money hit, they might as well go all in and worry about the salary cap when Romo is gone.

They can restructure contracts and easily get under the cap in 2014. They can sign a couple of significant free agents.

They could do with the DL what Chicago did with their OL this past off-season. Chicago added 2 starters in the draft and signed 2 free agent starters in free agency on their OLine.

The Cowboys could go DL in the 1st and 2nd and add 2 free DLinemen. They could add even more if they cut Ware and his 12.25M base salary.
 

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A complete rebuild is not possible with Romo's contract.

The Cowboys can't trade players like Ware because of their contracts. Other teams would not pay 12.25M for a declining 32 year old player if he was a free agent. They definitely wouldn't pay that and give up a draft pick for the right to do it.

A radical rebuild would be to cut Ware, Austin and Witten and not re-sign Hatcher. They could consider cutting Free if Parnell and Weems can live up to their physical abilities.


Due to the fact that they can't cut Romo due to the massive dead-money hit, they might as well go all in and worry about the salary cap when Romo is gone.

They can restructure contracts and easily get under the cap in 2014. They can sign a couple of significant free agents.

They could do with the DL what Chicago did with their OL this past off-season. Chicago added 2 starters in the draft and signed 2 free agent starters in free agency on their OLine.

The Cowboys could go DL in the 1st and 2nd and add 2 free DLinemen. They could add even more if they cut Ware and his 12.25M base salary.

Sorry, allow me to be more clear. You restructure as you need to and pay minimum wage to spares and get rid of this entire team. I mean scorched earth. I mean making a commitment to a four or five year plan to get right with the cap and draft well.

I mean take this jumbled crap and eat the worm and do what it takes to get back to something manageable, and be certain Jerry is gone when you do so.

There is no hope for a franchise as poorly run as this.

See Al Davis's last decade. And that may be the high water mark for Dallas.
 

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The NFL is about coaching coaching coaching. More than any other sport. And we have none. Belichick would take this same team and go 13-3 with them period.


i agree with you that bellihick would have this team at 10-6 to 12-4 and in the playoffs with actual hope to win
 

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Sorry, allow me to be more clear. You restructure as you need to and pay minimum wage to spares and get rid of this entire team. I mean scorched earth. I mean making a commitment to a four or five year plan to get right with the cap and draft well.

I mean take this jumbled crap and eat the worm and do what it takes to get back to something manageable, and be certain Jerry is gone when you do so.

There is no hope for a franchise as poorly run as this.

See Al Davis's last decade. And that may be the high water mark for Dallas.

You should just quit your job and assume that you're going to win the lottery.
 

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A complete rebuild is not possible with Romo's contract.

The Cowboys can't trade players like Ware because of their contracts. Other teams would not pay 12.25M for a declining 32 year old player if he was a free agent. They definitely wouldn't pay that and give up a draft pick for the right to do it.

A radical rebuild would be to cut Ware, Austin and Witten and not re-sign Hatcher. They could consider cutting Free if Parnell and Weems can live up to their physical abilities.


Due to the fact that they can't cut Romo due to the massive dead-money hit, they might as well go all in and worry about the salary cap when Romo is gone.

They can restructure contracts and easily get under the cap in 2014. They can sign a couple of significant free agents.

They could do with the DL what Chicago did with their OL this past off-season. Chicago added 2 starters in the draft and signed 2 free agent starters in free agency on their OLine.

The Cowboys could go DL in the 1st and 2nd and add 2 free DLinemen. They could add even more if they cut Ware and his 12.25M base salary.

The last 17 years have established that Jones' way won't work. Why commit even further to trying it? He and the yesmen he's assembled around him have no idea how to build a winning organization.
 

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The last 17 years have established that Jones' way won't work. Why commit even further to trying it? He and the yesmen he's assembled around him have no idea how to build a winning organization.

How does that relate to the question? Jerry will be here regardless of a radical rebuild or a win now approach.

Whining about Jerry is pointless. It's like a kid crying over spilled milk.
 

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How does that relate to the question? Jerry will be here regardless of a radical rebuild or a win now approach.

Whining about Jerry is pointless. It's like a kid crying over spilled milk.

I would say your position on my comments may be even more ridiculous since you are whining about my whine.

I buy the products that makes Jerry the money for him to play Madden on a huge scale. That buys me the right to express my opinion. That and the First Amendment.

Sorry buddy, but the Jerry won't leave excuse closed out of town.
 

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I agree.

Anyone who would keep this GM can not be considered the best owner. Maybe the worst.
 
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