Players over 30

[Fletch]

AP has shown zero signs of slowing, you're assuming entirely too much, and basing it on nothing.

And again, the idea that we are going to draft Romo's replacement, and have them sit on the bench until their rookie contract is over, and then have to pay them veteran qb money is terrible salary cap management.

Zero signs while he was playing. Overpaying, because that will happen, and future picks, because that will happen too, on a 30+ year old running back is ludicrous. Smart teams don't risk their future, especially on a freaking RB, when the process has been working.

Bottom line, it's all a crapshoot.

 

[Fletch]

What is worse is if Romo is still playing, now our ability to hold to said quarterback is placed in jeopardy.

What if? Okay, by that premise, what if Romo has one more season before yet another injury to his back? What if Romo begins declining in a major way? That all could happen too.

So let's just continue to bring in UDFA QB's and middle to the end of draft QB's in hopes of landing another cheap Romo.

 

[Fletch]

Rookie first round QB's aren't pulling in Romo's and Rodger's type contracts.

 

[Galian Beast]

Zero signs while he was playing. Overpaying, because that will happen, and future picks, because that will happen too, on a 30+ year old running back is ludicrous. Smart teams don't risk their future, especially on a freaking RB, when the process has been working.

Bottom line, it's all a crapshoot.

All you can say is 30+ without evaluating the specific player. Rigid reaction displays that you can't make a strong argument against Adrian Peterson. Just saying his is 30 doesn't change the fact that he is a hall of fame running back and the most dominant running back in the league.

 

[Galian Beast]

Rookie first round QB's aren't pulling in Romo's and Rodger's type contracts.

Give us a break down of rookie first round QBs and their veteran contracts after their rookie contract expires.

 

[Galian Beast]

What if? Okay, by that premise, what if Romo has one more season before yet another injury to his back? What if Romo begins declining in a major way? That all could happen too.

So let's just continue to bring in UDFA QB's and middle to the end of draft QB's in hopes of landing another cheap Romo.

Any team can say what if when it comes to the QB position it isn't an easy or cheap position to evaluate or secure, but just wasting draft picks on QB while you're trying to win something with a franchise qb is pretty senseless.

 

[Fletch]

Any team can say what if when it comes to the QB position it isn't an easy or cheap position to evaluate or secure, but just wasting draft picks on QB while you're trying to win something with a franchise qb is pretty senseless.

I totally get that. I just think if our front office puts in the time and effort on a QB prospect with pedigree, that homework will payoff. Yes, it's still a gamble, but I would much rather hold on to future picks and let it ride.

We're seeing it work, now let's try and make the transition from Romo to the next franchise guy fairly painless. The sooner the better!

 

[Galian Beast]

I totally get that. I just think if our front office puts in the time and effort on a QB prospect with pedigree, that homework will payoff. Yes, it's still a gamble, but I would much rather hold on to future picks and let it ride.

We're seeing it work, now let's try and make the transition from Romo to the next franchise guy fairly painless. The sooner the better!

Tell that to the vast majority of teams in the league. I think you are ignoring reality here. Making the transition painless will include building a great team that a rookie qb can jump into and not ask too much from them. A team that starts a player on their rookie contract can save 15-20 million dollars.... That goes a long way towards creating a good team.

I think you're to focused on the past. In the salary cap era it's just not that easy to let a guy sit and develop.

The best example of this actually working was with Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay won the Super Bowl in 2010, but that was prior to the CBA, and rookie contracts could be longer. He had a 6 year contract.

Now rookie contracts are 4 years with a 5th year option. Meaning you only get them on the cheap for 4 years... You want to make the most of those 4 years.

 

[Eskimo]

Our best bet is to make a trade for a future first rounder. Then each draft trade one of the extra first rounders or a first rounder the next year so we'll always have 2 picks - ours and another teams. Ideally try your best to trade with a team who is optimistic about their future but a good candidate to regress or lack progress in their record the next year.

Each year we would stand a rough 1 in 3 chance of getting into the top 10. Maybe slightly better than 1 in 3 if we do our homework well. Once we get a top 10 the hope will be that there is a franchise QB worth securing. If there isn't but there is an impact player at another spot you just take him and continue trading for future 1sts. If you are there and there is no franchise QB and some team offers you a king's ransom for some player they have fallen in love with you can make that trade and have even more ammunition for the next draft. You just keep repeating the process until you land your franchise QB.

 

[MagicMan]

nothing wrong with planning early......

 

[Fletch]

Tell that to the vast majority of teams in the league. I think you are ignoring reality here. Making the transition painless will include building a great team that a rookie qb can jump into and not ask too much from them. A team that starts a player on their rookie contract can save 15-20 million dollars.... That goes a long way towards creating a good team.

I think you're to focused on the past. In the salary cap era it's just not that easy to let a guy sit and develop.

The best example of this actually working was with Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay won the Super Bowl in 2010, but that was prior to the CBA, and rookie contracts could be longer. He had a 6 year contract.

Now rookie contracts are 4 years with a 5th year option. Meaning you only get them on the cheap for 4 years... You want to make the most of those 4 years.

I honestly don't believe we have 4 good years left in Tony. I think we can get next year as a really good year, and possibly the following barring injury. After that, you need to have a plan. That plan should start next offseason work a young QB.

If that's ignoring reality, then so be it.

 

[burmafrd]

2017 is the year to really look at QB

IF the front office is on the ball they are looking at all the freshman and sophomore QBs that look likely and have someone watch them consistently. Do that for a couple of years and you will have a very good idea if that QB is worth going after.

Bottom line is that anything other than a first rd QB will almost certainly never win you a SB (unless you have a transcendent D like Baltimore and TB had their years).
Building that kind of D is even harder than finding a top QB in the first rd.


BUT as regards to thread title the only players you should go after who are over 30 are QBs and OL. Or a once in a generation RB like AP.

 

[Galian Beast]

Our best bet is to make a trade for a future first rounder. Then each draft trade one of the extra first rounders or a first rounder the next year so we'll always have 2 picks - ours and another teams. Ideally try your best to trade with a team who is optimistic about their future but a good candidate to regress or lack progress in their record the next year.

Each year we would stand a rough 1 in 3 chance of getting into the top 10. Maybe slightly better than 1 in 3 if we do our homework well. Once we get a top 10 the hope will be that there is a franchise QB worth securing. If there isn't but there is an impact player at another spot you just take him and continue trading for future 1sts. If you are there and there is no franchise QB and some team offers you a king's ransom for some player they have fallen in love with you can make that trade and have even more ammunition for the next draft. You just keep repeating the process until you land your franchise QB.

Thought about this same strategy the other day.

 

[Satchel89]

Tony Romo - 35 - (Core member of the team, will stay here as long as he continues playing at a high level)
LP LaDoucer - 34 (Not sure how long we keep him or how much his age is even a factor)
Jason Witten - 33 (See Tony Romo)
James Anderson - 31 (Have no idea who this is, guessing he won't be on the team long)
Doug Free - 31 (I think this is Free's last year in Dallas)
Jeremy Mincey - 31 (I think Mincey might explode this year playing at 265, but I also think it could be his last year here if he does well)
Brandon Weeden - 31 (I think another year in the system could help him out, but clearly not excited to have him here, nor am I giving him any hype)
Tony Hills - 30 (He is gone soon)

(Mackenzy Bernadeau - 29 Not sure about his future, too many things happening at Guard and still don't have a true backup center)
(Jasper Brinkley - 29 Definitely won't be here next year)
(Jed Collins - 29 Journeyman fullback....don't see him sticking)
(Nick Hayden - 29 wouldn't be surprised if he gets cut at the end of camp)
(Keith Rivers - 29 see Nick Hayden)
(CJ Spillman - 29 See Nick Hayden)

I think Collins sticks. Garrett likes having a fullback on the roster. I know he's nothing fantastic but he's a decent blocker and can catch some passes out of the backfield

 

[Bluefin]

This is a list of the 15 oldest players currently on the roster.

1. Tony Romo (35) - Will remain the starting QB for as long as he is physically capable of playing.
2. L.P. Ladouceur (34) - Under contract through 2017 and playing at a high level, team brings in young LS for look every camp.
3. Jason Witten (33) - Also under contract through 2017 and still playing at a high level (Gavin Escobar under contract through 2016).
4. Jeremy Mincey (31/32 in Dec) - Entering final year of contract, unlikely to re-sign if another team offers good money.
5. Brandon Weeden (31/32 in Oct) - Entering final year of contract, needs to impress if he wants a new deal with any team.
6. Doug Free (31) - Under contract through 2017, doubt he'll see final year of the deal.
7. Jasper Brinkley (29/30 in July) - Roster spot should be secure this season, likely to be released in 2016.
8. Mackenzy Bernadeau (29) - Entering final year of contract, unlikely to return in 2016.
9. Nick Hayden (29) - Playing on one year, minimum salary benefit deal, may not stick this year, not in team's long term plans.
10. Jed Collins (29) - Playing on one year, minimum salary benefit deal, in fight for roster spot with Ray Agnew (24).
11. Keith Rivers (29) - Playing on one year, minimum salary benefit deal, unlikely to make roster.
12. Brandon Carr (29 this month) - Needs to take a pay cut this year and next to remain on roster, I believe he will.
13. Sean Lee (29 in July) - Obvious health concerns, but contract not an issue until 2017.
14. Orlando Scandrick (28) - Under contract through 2018 and looking for a raise in pay.
15. Darren McFadden (27/28 in Aug) - On a cheap, two year contract, uncertain to return in 2016.

Of these 15 players, Mincey, Weeden, Brinkley, Bernadeau, Hayden, Collins and Rivers are unlikely to return to the team in 2016.

That's 7 players, which is almost half of the list.

Free, Carr and McFadden are unlikely to return in 2017, which would bring the count to 10 players.

This would leave Romo, Ladouceur, Witten, Lee and Scandrick as the last 5 standing, provided continued good health and playing performance.