please explain- Wade Phillips

[dbair1967]

the people raising a stink about the Wade Phillips report and respondign that he'd be an awful hire and has been a failure or a loser elsewhere, care to elaborate any?

afterall his record in Buffalo in 3 yrs is better than Parcells record in 4 here...he was in two playoffs and lost both games (just like Parcells) and one of the losses was a total special teams meltdown on a final play of the game...

like I said, why would this be a BAD hire?

David

 

[Hostile]

the people raising a stink about the Wade Phillips report and respondign that he'd be an awful hire and has been a failure or a loser elsewhere, care to elaborate any?

afterall his record in Buffalo in 3 yrs is better than Parcells record in 4 here...he was in two playoffs and lost both games (just like Parcells) and one of the losses was a total special teams meltdown on a final play of the game...

like I said, why would this be a BAD hire?

David

I never have seen him as a good Head Coach. His teams seem divided. I am not impressed. We could do better. IMO.

 

[Future]

his buffalo teams were good defensively but always completely stunk it up on the offensive side of the ball. he also had the benefit of playing in the AFC East when the jets, pats, and dolphins were all relatively weak. give him that same team now and hes still towrads the bottom of the afce.

 

[CoCo]

the people raising a stink about the Wade Phillips report and respondign that he'd be an awful hire and has been a failure or a loser elsewhere, care to elaborate any?

afterall his record in Buffalo in 3 yrs is better than Parcells record in 4 here...he was in two playoffs and lost both games (just like Parcells) and one of the losses was a total special teams meltdown on a final play of the game...

like I said, why would this be a BAD hire?

David

Well if Parcells gets criticism for never having won a playoff game as Dallas HC, and the "bobble" excuses nothing, then the Music City Miracle doesn't excuse Wade either. They're both 0-2.

Regardless, I'm not as down on Wade as others, and I seriously wonder if its not part of a longer term Cowher or Fisher plan.

If not, I don't see Wade as the guys that actually builds things. He seems more like a refiner of what we presently have. And yes, for our defense I would be excited.

For our offense? Boy, I don't know about that one. And I would be really concerned with how TO would behave with someone like Wade.

To me there aren't any obvious great choices for the next Dallas HC at this time.

 

[Eddie]

I'm tired of OLD coaches. How about some young, hungry blood???

If the coach as white hair, I don't want him!

If he's a grandfather, I don't want him!

Payton, Smith, Dungy, Bellichik ... all 55 or under.

 

[Hostile]

I'm tired of OLD coaches. How about some young, hungry blood???

If the coach as white hair, I don't want him!

If he's a grandfather, I don't want him!

Payton, Smith, Dungy, Bellichik ... all 55 or under.

I gotta admit, this is something I want as well, someone young and hungry. I want someone who is dying to prove himself.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I gotta admit, this is something I want as well, someone young and hungry. I want someone who is dying to prove himself.

I don't care if they are old or young.

I just want someone that will get the job done.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

he sounds just like Parcells really

major special teams gaffe costing a playoff game

 

[Concord]

I gotta admit, this is something I want as well, someone young and hungry. I want someone who is dying to prove himself.

Exactly.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't care if they are old or young.

I just want someone that will get the job done.

Ditto that.

 

[Big Dakota]

I've said it before, as a lot have, but if Tuna leaves, Jerry wants one of the "Big 3" next year. Lovie,Cowher and Fisher will all be available next year. Wade would be a good one year guy. He wouldn't hurt thr 3-4 movement as he knows 3-4 talent. NOONE would care if he gets canned after 1 year.

 

[superpunk]

I'm tired of OLD coaches. How about some young, hungry blood???

If the coach as white hair, I don't want him!

If he's a grandfather, I don't want him!

Payton, Smith, Dungy, Bellichik ... all 55 or under.

If we are going to replace Parcells, I fully agree. It needs to be someone that we can keep around a LONG time if he's good.

 

[DipChit]

the people raising a stink about the Wade Phillips report and respondign that he'd be an awful hire and has been a failure or a loser elsewhere, care to elaborate any?

afterall his record in Buffalo in 3 yrs is better than Parcells record in 4 here...he was in two playoffs and lost both games (just like Parcells) and one of the losses was a total special teams meltdown on a final play of the game...

like I said, why would this be a BAD hire?

David

Well look at his stint here in Denver too.

Reeves and Elway had had enough of each other. Elway wanted the shackles taken off. They promote Wade from DC the last 4 years to be the HC.

The offense does open it up alot more. Ended up #3 in scoring offense but they still end up going 9-7 (those 2 things sound familair) and then losing a wildcard game 42-24 to the Raiders. Ironically enough it was one of those back to back deals. The last game of the regular season was in LA too to determine seeding and they lost that one as well 33-30.

Then they went 7-9 the following year and missed the playoffs. Thus ended Wades tenure.

Honestly in watching most of those games and the things associated with his tenure here as a whole, he more or less reminded me of a glorified Campo as a HC.

Definitely earned his stripes as a DC overall but not someone I'd want as an HC.

 

[Hostile]

I don't care if they are old or young.

I just want someone that will get the job done.

I think that goes without saying. If Marv Levy at 80 years old or whatever he is can make this team a winner I am all for it.

I'm saying I don't necessarily have to see a Coach from the recycle bin, but I definitely want one who is hungry and eager to prove. I honestly belive the #1 problem with Parcells here in Dallas is not the players he has assembled, it is his lack of actual coaching. There are no adjustments and little imagination. He doesn't seem at all hungry and looks to me like he is resting on his Hall of Fame laurels.

 

[dbair1967]

his buffalo teams were good defensively but always completely stunk it up on the offensive side of the ball. he also had the benefit of playing in the AFC East when the jets, pats, and dolphins were all relatively weak. give him that same team now and hes still towrads the bottom of the afce.

yeah, I checked on that and your completely wrong..in 98 the Jets, Bills and Dolphins all finished 10-6 or better...the Pats were 4th and finished 9-7...in 99 none of the teams in the division had a losing record...and in 2000 only one had a losing record

David

 

[WoodysGirl]

If we are going to replace Parcells, I fully agree. It needs to be someone that we can keep around a LONG time if he's good.

What do you consider a long time, though? In today's NFL, many coaches are leaving after two and three years. It's a guessing game as to their longevity for the team. Parcells has already stayed longer than many of us guessed/hoped. So now if there's another hire, he may very well get a 4-yr contract, but if he doesn't achieve instance success with currently "Bill's team" then he'll be out in three years.

I look out how some other coaches have been brought onto teams. Some were given relatively good squads, Edwards-Jets, Gruden-Tampa, Payton-Saints. These coaches were able to come in, put their coaching stamp on the team, and have some modest success. But when their talent base started lowering and they've had to begin rebuilding the team, all xcept for Payton (too early to tell) have been suspect and Edwards has moved onto KC with Gruden possibly on the hot seat.

Any coach being brought into the 'boys will not only be required to build upon the current talent base, but will need to have the skills to rebuild when that talent base lowers.

The only coach that I see truly being able to do something like that would be Cowher and Fisher. The young, hot coach with grand ideas is an unknown that basically I feel the organization will be hoping for another Jimmy Johnson-strikes lightening in a bottle-type thing.

Wade Phillips is an exciting coordinator prospect, but as a HC prospect, I just don't see it.

 

[dmq]

I wouldn't mind seeing an aggressive defense around here. Just hire a good offensive coordinator.

 

[superpunk]

What do you consider a long time, though? In today's NFL, many coaches are leaving after two and three years. It's a guessing game as to their longevity for the team. Parcells has already stayed longer than many of us guessed/hoped. So now if there's another hire, he may very well get a 4-yr contract, but if he doesn't achieve instance success with currently "Bill's team" then he'll be out in three years.

I look out how some other coaches have been brought onto teams. Some were given relatively good squads, Edwards-Jets, Gruden-Tampa, Payton-Saints. These coaches were able to come in, put their coaching stamp on the team, and have some modest success. But when their talent base started lowering and they've had to begin rebuilding the team, all xcept for Payton (too early to tell) have been suspect and Edwards has moved onto KC with Gruden possibly on the hot seat.

Any coach being brought into the 'boys will not only be required to build upon the current talent base, but will need to have the skills to rebuild when that talent base lowers.

The only coach that I see truly being able to do something like that would be Cowher and Fisher. The young, hot coach with grand ideas is an unknown that basically I feel the organization will be hoping for another Jimmy Johnson-strikes lightening in a bottle-type thing.

Wade Phillips is an exciting coordinator prospect, but as a HC prospect, I just don't see it.

The Parcells coaching tree is the most successful in the league, along with Walsh's. I say we go with a young guy from one of them, although I'd prefer Parcells, since the Walsh guys seem to have a little problem sustaining. The ahrdest part is keeping the talent coming, which is why the Patriots are so impressive, in letting guys wawlk. They're about to let Samuel walk (wisely, IMO) and this is a guy that had 11 INTs this year. But they can replace him, because the scheme is actually what's winning for them, and they have very few irreplacable players, which is what we need here. We have a leg up on them in having an elite LB and an elite corner, but their Oline kills, their QB is better, and their LBs execute better and they have Richard Seymour. Plus, more experience in the sytem.

 

[Zaxor]

I think many of us are ready for a change...and ALL of us want the change to be for the better...but I must admit while I have nothing against Wade..I would really have liked a young hungry coach

 

[DLCassidy]

What people need to keep in mind is timing with coaching changes is crucial. Late hires are usually failures for one simple reason- it's tough to assemble a top notch staff late. It's not yet too late but it's getting there very quickly. The staff is as big a deal as the coach himself. If the new head coach, if there is one, wants to find his Lombardi to run the offense and Landry to run the defense he's going to need the time and the contacts to find them.

On Wade Phillips: the only thing I fault him on was when he was in Buffalo he made a mistake benching Doug Flutie at the end of the season to go with Rob Johnson. I'm not a Buffalo fan but you have your coach bench the starting QB after he's led them to 10 wins with a game left to go and then keep him on the bench for the playoffs you're going to divide your locker room, which it did. A guy who would make a judgement like that at that point in the season worries me.