please explain- Wade Phillips

[DLCassidy]

One other thought- I'm in favor of keeping Bill another year BTW. I think what he needs most is a strong DC. My choice would be Romeo Crennel if he's fired as HC of Cleveland. Romeo is an outstanding DC with 3 SB wins on his resume but he's probably too nice a guy to be HC. He also has the plus of being an expert on the 3-4.

 

[Idgit]

the people raising a stink about the Wade Phillips report and respondign that he'd be an awful hire and has been a failure or a loser elsewhere, care to elaborate any?

afterall his record in Buffalo in 3 yrs is better than Parcells record in 4 here...he was in two playoffs and lost both games (just like Parcells) and one of the losses was a total special teams meltdown on a final play of the game...

like I said, why would this be a BAD hire?

David

A more interesting question to me is 'why do you think he wouldn't be a bad hire?' Considering your stance on Parcells and all.

 

[dbair1967]

A more interesting question to me is 'why do you think he wouldn't be a bad hire?' Considering your stance on Parcells and all.

he wouldnt be my first choice either, but he did have a good overall record in Buffalo and more importantly, everywhere he goes excellent defense follows...he isnt one of these inflexible, do the same thing every week and every year type coaches...he had constantly tweaked his defense to keep them at the top, and he hasnt always had elite, talent laden teams either

If he brought the right assistants and especially the right OC/QB coahc with him, he could win here and be an improvement over what we have now

David

 

[Future]

yeah, I checked on that and your completely wrong..in 98 the Jets, Bills and Dolphins all finished 10-6 or better...the Pats were 4th and finished 9-7...in 99 none of the teams in the division had a losing record...and in 2000 only one had a losing record

David

wow, apparently i have a shotty memory

 

[windward]

his buffalo teams were good defensively but always completely stunk it up on the offensive side of the ball. he also had the benefit of playing in the AFC East when the jets, pats, and dolphins were all relatively weak. give him that same team now and hes still towrads the bottom of the afce.

His first year coaching the Bills in the AFC East, four teams qualified for the playoffs, not exactly weak

1998
jets 12-4
Dolphins 10-6
Bills 10-6
Pats 9-7

1999
Colts13-3
Miami 8-8
Jets 8-8
2000
Dolphins 11-5
Colts 10-6
Jets 9-7

Hardly weak foes, I'm afraid.

 

[windward]

he wouldnt be my first choice either, but he did have a good overall record in Buffalo and more importantly, everywhere he goes excellent defense follows...he isnt one of these inflexible, do the same thing every week and every year type coaches...he had constantly tweaked his defense to keep them at the top, and he hasnt always had elite, talent laden teams either

If he brought the right assistants and especially the right OC/QB coahc with him, he could win here and be an improvement over what we have now

David

In 1999, he won 11 games with Doug Flutie at QB and an aging Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed. All media hype for Flutie aside, that was a pretty solid accomplishment.

If BP does in fact leave, then Phillips would not be a bad hire. Probably a level above the Gailey hiring.

 

[Oh_Canada]

In 1999, he won 11 games with Doug Flutie at QB and an aging Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed. All media hype for Flutie aside, that was a pretty solid accomplishment.

If BP does in fact leave, then Phillips would not be a bad hire. Probably a level above the Gailey hiring.

I agree with you....anyone who thinks Phillips is not a good coach is not paying attention.

The only reason he had ANY mediocre seasons in Buffalo was because the team fell victim to the cap in his final season and they were forced to cut many of there key vets. He was forced into going with mostly young players and below average talent at key positions that last season and still remained respectable through it all.

 

[dbair1967]

I agree with you....anyone who thinks Phillips is not a good coach is not paying attention.

The only reason he had ANY mediocre seasons in Buffalo was because the team fell victim to the cap in his final season and they were forced to cut many of there key vets. He was forced into going with mostly young players and below average talent at key positions that last season and still remained respectable through it all.

I really think we'd all be pleasantly surprised if Phillips came here...I know the defense would be vastly better and we have some good talent on offense...with the right offensive staff I think Phillips could have alot of success here

David

 

[theogt]

I really think we'd all be pleasantly surprised if Phillips came here...I know the defense would be vastly better and we have some good talent on offense...with the right offensive staff I think Phillips could have alot of success here

David

I generally agree with this. I can't understand a positive reaction to Henning and a negative reaction to Phillips.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

the people raising a stink about the Wade Phillips report and respondign that he'd be an awful hire and has been a failure or a loser elsewhere, care to elaborate any?

afterall his record in Buffalo in 3 yrs is better than Parcells record in 4 here...he was in two playoffs and lost both games (just like Parcells) and one of the losses was a total special teams meltdown on a final play of the game...

like I said, why would this be a BAD hire?

David

But the prevailing thought might be that with all the coaches out there, Jerra could do better -- a lot better -- than the son of a retread.

For whatever reason, Wade Phillips does not inspire optimism. He just seems like a so-so, average joe who happened to get a coaching job because of his name, not his brilliant career.

:laugh1:

 

[cowboyed]

I don't care if they are old or young.

I just want someone that will get the job done.

Also he is as animated as corpse on the sidelines. He is like the stone man with not expression when he is waddling up and down the sidelines. Maybe Jones developed a fat coach hiring fetish.

 

[aikemirv]

I really think we'd all be pleasantly surprised if Phillips came here...I know the defense would be vastly better and we have some good talent on offense...with the right offensive staff I think Phillips could have alot of success here

David

You don't know the defense would be vastly better. You could assume that it would be based on past history, but he has not had our players so you don't know for sure. I have seen our players make dumb mistakes over and over - just dumb.

Sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

By the way, we were in the top 4 for a lot of the season anyway. I guess the coaches just forgot what they were doing, it could not have been the players losing focus and screwing up.

 

[Skin]

You don't know the defense would be vastly better. You could assume that it would be based on past history, but he has not had our players so you don't know for sure. I have seen our players make dumb mistakes over and over - just dumb.

Sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

By the way, we were in the top 4 for a lot of the season anyway. I guess the coaches just forgot what they were doing, it could not have been the players losing focus and screwing up.

Or maybe we starting sucking because Greg Ellis got hurt. Or maybe because Sean Payton undressed us and everyone copied his game plan. If the players weren't stupid the majority of the year, why were they stupid at the end? Maybe the coaches were stupid for not making adjustments or changes to the scheme. I don't care why the defense sucked, I just want it fixed.

 

[DipChit]

I can't understand a positive reaction to Henning and a negative reaction to Phillips.

Isnt it becasue one is being talked about as a OC and one as a HC.. or am I missing your point?

Both of those guys have done good things as coordinators on and off for quite some time.

But neither of them did anything particularly noteworthy as HC's.

Phillips did do far better than Henning as a HC but Henning isnt being talked about as a HC anyway.

 

[zeromaster]

I've said it before, as a lot have, but if Tuna leaves, Jerry wants one of the "Big 3" next year. Lovie,Cowher and Fisher will all be available next year.

We are assuming (a) none of the currently employed above signs an extension and (b) the lure of Jerry's money overcomes all obstacles, right? I think that of those 3, it's possible only one may be available. Isn't it a good possibility that Cowher stays on the East Coast and Fisher and Young continue their progress in Tennessee? Not that I mind Lovie as HC, but you see the point. We may not have the pick of the litter so to speak. Next year is next year; it all looks possible in the offseason.

On the player front, Jerra's siren song may have got us TO and Deion at various times (and both had their reasons), but there have been others that have turned a deaf ear, either on their own (Wahle) or at the insistence of others (Vinatieri). We may want to curb our enthusiasm on the Jones' influence until we're sure the team is really on the upward swing. This is the first time he's truly spent big money on a head coach I think. We'll see if the trend continues.

 

[theogt]

Isnt it becasue one is being talked about as a OC and one as a HC.. or am I missing your point?

Both of those guys have done good things as coordinators on and off for quite some time.

But neither of them did anything particularly noteworthy as HC's.

Phillips did do far better than Henning as a HC but Henning isnt being talked about as a HC anyway.

My point was that one has a history of accomplishment and the other doesn't.

 

[DipChit]

My point was that one has a history of accomplishment and the other doesn't.

Henning doesnt have a history of accomplishment as a OC?

Last year his team was in the NFC Championship. 3 years ago the SB. 8 years ago the AFC Championship. Not sure if he has anything else to hang his hat on.. not gonna bother to check... and I'm sure he's had no shortage of really bad years too.

How many Championship games has Wade participated as a DC over that time?

Now mind you thats a team accomplishment obviously but if Henning sucked, that alone would've likely precluded his teams from even getting there. And it's not like he had Bradys or Mannings or Aikmans to work with those years.

And it's also not like Wade's D's have never had poor years when it comes to PA for example. I see some 19 and 23 and 18 and 25 and 30 sprinkled in there amongst the real good years.

Look I aint defending Henning. I could do without either of these guys. I'm just saying it would seem to me the difference in the would be acceptance of the 2 guys by people has to do again, with the roles we're talking about if they came on board here. HC vs. OC.

I imagine if we were talking about HC in either case then there'd be far more hell no's for Henning than we're seeing about Wade.

 

[theogt]

I certainly don't think the Panthers were in the Super Bowl or the Championship game because of their offense. At best their offenses were servicable during those stints. Outside of those two instances, though, no he doesn't have a history of accomplishment as an OC.

Phillips, however, seems to have had successful defenses everywhere he's gone.

Bottom line: Phillips has had more success as a DC and HC than Henning as an OC.

 

[bbgun]

I want Bill gone, but one more year of him is preferable to a 4-year contract given to Phillips. I don't want us passing on Cowher or some hotshot coordinator next January because we're tied in to Bum's boy.

 

[5Stars]

I want Bill gone,

Oh, well, then! If little bbgun wants Parcells gone, then ******, fire him NOW!

:laugh2: