Poe? No!

[ejthedj]

After watching some tape, this guy just looks like Willie Blade -- trash.

He's huge but he has no motor and no instincts. On one play, he wasn't blocked and the RB was cutting back right towards him. He chased after the FB who was going the other way and let the RB slip by.

He was double teamed an awful lot, like most plays. But the guy just gives up way too much, gets washed out, even ends up on the ground. I was hoping to see better but the tape don't lie. These were also games against mediocre teams.

 

[jnday]

But he did so well at the combine . That on-field stuff don't count . A hour after his combine workout , half the country had him as a top 20 pick .

 

[realtick]

After watching some tape, this guy just looks like Willie Blade -- trash.

He's huge but he has no motor and no instincts. On one play, he wasn't blocked and the RB was cutting back right towards him. He chased after the FB who was going the other way and let the RB slip by.

He was double teamed an awful lot, like most plays. But the guy just gives up way too much, gets washed out, even ends up on the ground. I was hoping to see better but the tape don't lie. These were also games against mediocre teams.

Where did you get the tape?

Is it available for everyone to see?

 

[ejthedj]

There are some full game highlights on Youtube

 

[RoyTheHammer]

There are some full game highlights on Youtube

:laugh2:

That's what we call "tape" now?

What about his 22 TFL in 30 starts? Doesn't seem too shabby. Or his 100 tackles either.

 

[TheCount]

There are some full game highlights on Youtube

Links?

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

:laugh2:

That's what we call "tape" now?

What about his 22 TFL in 30 starts? Doesn't seem too shabby. Or his 100 tackles either.

I watched the same video on yt & he might have those stats & shining moments during games, but you need to watch what he is doing on the other thousands of plays before you decide he is the guy.. I wasn't impressed with the 1 video I saw but hey, what do I know?

 

[jnday]

I watched the same video on yt & he might have those stats & shining moments during games, but you need to watch what he is doing on the other thousands of plays before you decide he is the guy.. I wasn't impressed with the 1 video I saw but hey, what do I know?

Just as much as the rest off us . Most of us are talking out of our rear end half of the time . :laugh2:

 

[TheCount]

Just as much as the rest off us . All of us are talking out of our rear end most of the time . :laugh2:

Fixed it for you. :laugh2:

 

[ejthedj]

There is no difference for DL and OL between official game tape and the TV feed. You can see what they are doing.

And, it was not a highlight reel. It was a whole game (against Arkansas State and another one i am blanking on)... He didn't show anything

Here's one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0IaNI-3sw4&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL55EF36EC30511031

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I watched the same video on yt & he might have those stats & shining moments during games, but you need to watch what he is doing on the other thousands of plays before you decide he is the guy.. I wasn't impressed with the 1 video I saw but hey, what do I know?

You're right, im sure you saw plenty of "tape" in that one video you watched on youtube to know more than the scouts and NFL personel people. What was i thinking?

 

[dallasfaniac]

You're right, im sure you saw plenty of "tape" in that one video you watched on youtube to know more than the scouts and NFL personel people. What was i thinking?

So you would agree with Stephen Jones assessment regarding Ratliff then? Just curious.

 

[marchetta]

After watching some tape, this guy just looks like Willie Blade -- trash.

While you're throwing out the trash, could you throw out Brockers as well? I've watched several yt whole game vids, and the guy looks worse than Spears. He spends ALL his time hand fighting at the LOS. He rarely even penetrates into the backfield. He's stout against the run, and can hold up the OL at the LOS, but he offers you NOTHING as a pass rusher. His combine numbers are confirmed in his vids. He lacks explosion, speed, quickness, or pass rush moves. He just passes the eye-test, but can't provide a pass rush or even penetrate consistently for that matter. Shocking, he's the #1 DL on most teams boards... just based on his size and potential. The best DL-man in this draft is Fletcher Cox. He's a true pass rusher, and plays exactly like Ratliff. Currently, Cox is #2 on most teams DL boards, based on Brocker's "potential." Cox is the only guy I'd take @ #14 over DeCastro.

 

[realtick]

There is no difference for DL and OL between official game tape and the TV feed. You can see what they are doing.

And, it was not a highlight reel. It was a whole game (against Arkansas State and another one i am blanking on)... He didn't show anything

Here's one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0IaNI-3sw4&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL55EF36EC30511031

Wait, wait.....

You were left unimpressed by a 345+ lbs defensive lineman that was playing against a no-huddle shotgun spread offense?

You do realize that QB was getting the ball out typically 2-seconds after receiving the snap. That offense is designed to beat pressure.

Even still...

- I watched Poe make a TFL loss (2:11 mark)

- I saw Poe getting triple-teamed (3:32 mark), which helped lead to a sack by his teammate.

- I saw him penetrate the offensive line (5:35 mark) near endzone and helped flush the QB out and resulted in just a slight gain.

- 7:05 mark he uses his quickness to blow right past the OG (gets pass-blocked by the RB) and forces the QB to step-up. The play was successful for the offense, but was obviously a coverage breakdown because nobody was within 5-yards of the receiver.

- 10:45 mark, I see him again explode off the line and get penetration blowing past the OG.

*** The clip is 22 minutes long, and I've only watched it up to the halfway mark. It's not all honey'n'oats with Poe; I think he's a talented develpmental prospect that intrigues teams. He does need help with technique with his hands, but that's something that can be taught. He also is susceptible to chop blocks, but again, can be taught to correct. But to simply slough him off and say "he's another Willie Blade" is way too simplified.

Poe was making positive impact plays against an offense that's designed to beat pressure and get the ball out quickly. Even the vast majority of the run plays I saw were toss-sweeps to the outside and not between the tackles.

You have to consider what you're looking at to really judge a player.

 

[CCBoy]

On Poe, he is still raw...but the talent and football skills are definitely there. He has to be polished at the professional levels, but the tools for him to be dominant are definitely there.

And the scouting reports and rankings are going to shake up quite a bit through rounds three now. You can bet on that as well...as some of the individual variations are more closely defined in relation to other players.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

So you would agree with Stephen Jones assessment regarding Ratliff then? Just curious.

What was his assessment of Rat?

 

[TheCount]

On Poe, he is still raw...but the talent and football skills are definitely there. He has to be polished at the professional levels, but the tools for him to be dominant are definitely there.

And the scouting reports and rankings are going to shake up quite a bit through rounds three now. You can bet on that as well...as some of the individual variations are more closely defined in relation to other players.

That's my take on him. All the tools are there to be a better pro than college players, the only real question is if he wants to be the best at what he does or not. If the will isn't there, then it won't matter. That's a question none of us can answer really, though it won't stop some from trying.

Tyron came right out and said he wanted to be a hall of famer. You get that attitude with his skills, even though he may not have been the greatest college player, and you know you could have something special.

 

[reddyuta]

I hope he gets an invite to valley ranch,can you imagine our defense if we hit on this guy?

 

[CCBoy]

I hope he gets an invite to valley ranch,can you imagine our defense if we hit on this guy?

Mix him with an Irvin/Reyes, and you have my full attention prior to Training Camp.

 

[casmith07]

:laugh2:

That's what we call "tape" now?

What about his 22 TFL in 30 starts? Doesn't seem too shabby. Or his 100 tackles either.

He played at Memphis. He's supposed to do that.

What you look for are the other things -- clearly he should dominate, but what about his instincts, technique, etc.

I think that's one thing our scouting department missed on with AOA.