Poe? No!

[casmith07]

Additionally, we can't afford to draft potential at #14.

 

[jnday]

I hope he gets an invite to valley ranch,can you imagine our defense if we hit on this guy?

Can you imagine our record if we miss ?

 

[Aven8]

Additionally, we can't afford to draft potential at #14.

It's a good thing the Giants didn't use that logic with JPP. His first year when he played sparingly he looked totally lost and suspect. Now he looks like the second coming of LT.

 

[dallasfaniac]

What was his assessment of Rat?

The fact that Jones said that Ratliff was a starting NT. The fact that Parcells, Phillips and Ryan think he is a NT. That Ratliff's peers thought he was a good enough NT to send to 4 probowls. That ranking sites across the net rank Ratliff as the #7 NT in the NFL. Yet RoyTheHammer felt that Ratliff cannot generate a push up the middle, is constantly pushed back etc. and that lowly Soliai would be a better replacement.

I just find it ironic that everyone and their mom who is associated with the NFL at all can think so highly of Ratliff can be wrong because you watched 'tape' yourself, yet you're so quick to question someone else's evaluation of a player because "You're right, im sure you saw plenty of "tape" in that one video you watched on youtube to know more than the scouts and NFL personel people. What was i thinking?"

 

[ejthedj]

He made a play or two in the video but none of them were impressive.

And most of the time, even on running plays, he was too easily blocked.

Compare his video to Cox's (there are multiple games up for him). the explosion difference and the effort difference is clearly night and day

 

[TheCount]

Additionally, we can't afford to draft potential at #14.

I kind of disagree on that.

Not that I expect JPP production out of him, but Pierre-Paul played two years at no-name community colleges (where he was admittedly very good) then went up to South Florida and managed just 6.5 sacks, now he's an All Pro.

Poe is a project, no doubt. Frankly, that's what has me excited about him. But he's got outstanding athletic ability, and that will go far in the NFL if you've got the right mindset.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

He made a play or two in the video but none of them were impressive.

And most of the time, even on running plays, he was too easily blocked.

Compare his video to Cox's (there are multiple games up for him). the explosion difference and the effort difference is clearly night and day

Effort is the key word there. Memphis was 2-10, as we know from experience with this team, bad things happen when you lose alot. Not saying its a good thing, but it does happen.

The only thing about a player with that kind of ability is if you get him in a playoff situation, even if he coasted all season, he does have that next gear/level that noone else has and can totally take over a game.

Breaking down a game where they got beat by Arkansas St by the tune of 47-3 shouldn't give you a true idea of Poe's ability, especially if he becomes a part of a positive winning environment.

 

[casmith07]

I kind of disagree on that.

Not that I expect JPP production out of him, but Pierre-Paul played two years at no-name community colleges (where he was admittedly very good) then went up to South Florida and managed just 6.5 sacks, now he's an All Pro.

Poe is a project, no doubt. Frankly, that's what has me excited about him. But he's got outstanding athletic ability, and that will go far in the NFL if you've got the right mindset.

I don't disagree with that.

All I'm saying is that in this draft, with this positioning, we can't afford to draft potential at #14.

 

[Yeagermeister]

A Memphis full game video? Was it in the horror section? :

 

[cowboysooner]

I don't disagree with that.

All I'm saying is that in this draft, with this positioning, we can't afford to draft potential at #14.

If you wait to draft that potential in the second round, it won't be there. The 1st round successful draft we have had since 2005 have been the riskiest. The best ones were the potential oozing, late risers off of the fake draft boards (Ware, Smith). The next best were guys with character questions (Bryant, Jenkins). Felix and Spencer are good but not great players who were picked in the 20's. The worst one was the no risk, solid tape, NFL dad 4 year production Bobbie C. The next worse was the safe no risk defensive end with few pass rush skills (Spears). Let's pick a non-felon with potential.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Not at 14, plus you don't draft a project in the first rd

 

[Hoofbite]

:laugh2:

That's what we call "tape" now?

What about his 22 TFL in 30 starts? Doesn't seem too shabby. Or his 100 tackles either.

Not exactly 1st round quality production for a guy who played in a weaker conference.

 

[Hoofbite]

Too boom or bust for me to get on board with.

As far as I can tell the only reason people even know of him leading up to the draft was because of his size and athleticism. Not that he confirms what people believe, he's a 1st rounder.

He played in a lesser conference and didn't produce.

Potential or not, I can't agree with using a pick on him.

He could develop into a dominant player, maybe. Or he could be Austin Lowbar 2.0 with all the God given talent in the universe and no ability to put to together.

 

[ejthedj]

Too boom or bust for me to get on board with.

As far as I can tell the only reason people even know of him leading up to the draft was because of his size and athleticism. Not that he confirms what people believe, he's a 1st rounder.

He played in a lesser conference and didn't produce.

Potential or not, I can't agree with using a pick on him.

He could develop into a dominant player, maybe. Or he could be Austin Lowbar 2.0 with all the God given talent in the universe and no ability to put to together.

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[Hoofbite]

Just saw on Brandt's Top 100 on NFL.com that he went from 51 to 13.

13. Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis (51)
Everyone marveled at the 346-pounder's time in the 40 (4.98), and he has the ability to be an All-Pro for years in the NFL. But first he needs to silence the critics who say he doesn't go hard on every play.

Wow. Why even play a down if you can show up to the combine, put up fantastic numbers and move up rounds at a time.

You know who this guy reminds me of.

Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
6-5 3/8, 314
Has outstanding size, speed and athletic ability, though he did not play well at Maryland. He is a high risk/reward type of player.

Remember when this guy came out and kicked *** at the combine and people started talking about him going in the 1st round, possibly to Oakland. Mixed opinions around here, I can't remember what I thought personally but I know there were some who wanted absolutely nothing to do with him and others who liked him.

What did his combine do for him in Gil Brandt's rankings?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d81764005&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Tier 1. That's right. Ranked in the same tier as Eric Berry, Bradford and Suh.

What did it do for him on draft day? 4th round to Oakland who then moved him from OT to RG and then back to OT.

To be honest, I want nothing to do with Poe. I dont' care what his numbers say, great combines are nothing new.

Vernon Gholston

2008. Gholston, a defensive end, had an impressive career Ohio State and was one of just two players ever to record a sack Jake Long, the first overall pick in 2008. But the combine is what sent his stock skyrocketing. He cranked out 37 bench-press repetitions at 225 pounds. He followed that with a 4.58 40-yard dash and a 41-inch vertical and became the sixth overall pick to the Jets.

Darrius Heyward-Bey

2009. The Maryland wideout was expected to be a fringe first-round talent, but Oakland's Al Davis coveted Heyward-Bey after his 40-yard dash times, which were timed between 4.25 and 4.3. He also ran an impressively fast 4.18-second shuttle run and skyrocketed to the No. 7 pick, where the Raiders gladly took the speed demon they were looking for. Heyward-Bey has yet to make much of a splash in the NFL.

Matt Jones

2005. Nicknamed "The Freak" after his combine performance, Jones, a quarterback at Arkansas, was deemed capable of playing nearly any position on the field because of his athleticism. He ran a 4.37 40-yard dash at 6-6, 237 pounds and jumped almost 40 inches on his vertical. The combine performance earned him a first-round spot as a wide receiver in Jacksonville before substance abuse derailed his career.

His performance doesn't match up.

Too big of a risk in the 1st round.

Let someone else try to shape the guy into a productive player.

 

[neosapien23]

I got to admit, I found myself wanting Poe really bad after the combine. I didn't see him putting up huge sack numbers in this defense, but the thought of him tying up blockers and letting ratliff play DE intrigued me. Although I guess Poe is like that really hot crazy chick you take out on a few dates. You think damn this girls hot how can she still be single? Then after a few dates realize why she doesn't have a boyfriend.. I'm beginning to realize how bad picking Poe really is and am now going with Fletcher Cox as he has much better game tape and he as well tore up the combine.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The fact that Jones said that Ratliff was a starting NT. The fact that Parcells, Phillips and Ryan think he is a NT. That Ratliff's peers thought he was a good enough NT to send to 4 probowls. That ranking sites across the net rank Ratliff as the #7 NT in the NFL. Yet RoyTheHammer felt that Ratliff cannot generate a push up the middle, is constantly pushed back etc. and that lowly Soliai would be a better replacement.

I just find it ironic that everyone and their mom who is associated with the NFL at all can think so highly of Ratliff can be wrong because you watched 'tape' yourself, yet you're so quick to question someone else's evaluation of a player because "You're right, im sure you saw plenty of "tape" in that one video you watched on youtube to know more than the scouts and NFL personel people. What was i thinking?"

This particular person watched one video of Poe and thought he knew it all about him. I've watched every game Rat has played for years.. see a difference there at all? lol

Its not a coincidence that the last two years Rat's production has trailed off. We haven't always used him as a conventional NT, as we have been recently. When Wade had him in his 34 for the first few years, he used him in a different role, the quick, slashing type of NT who picked a side and attacked off the ball. That's not how he's been playing the past couple years, as he's been asked to do the job of a more traditional 34 NT and take on the double teams in the middle to let other guys make plays around him. In this role, he's clearly not effective or successful. Its plain to see by watching our games that we don't get any kind of interior pressure.

Additionally, if the Cowboys higher ups all clearly thought very high of him as a NT, there wouldn't be any of this talk within the organization of switching his position, don't ya think?

 

[28 Joker]

Poe was a 2008 2 star recruit out of Memphis, and Tennessee, Alabama, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State did not offer him. Arkansas and Auburn did offer him. I thought that was interesting.

Poe is the classic boom or bust defensive linemen, and the busts in the defensive line (in the first round) are very significant.

Poe is a classic example of how defensive linemen get overrated and overvalued in the first round of the NFL draft, imo. They shoot up the draft boards, and many of them turn into busts.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Poe was a 2008 2 star recruit out of Memphis, and Tennessee, Alabama, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State did not offer him. Arkansas and Auburn did offer him. I thought that was interesting.

Poe is the classic boom or bust defensive linemen, and the busts in the defensive line (in the first round) are very significant.

Poe is a classic example of how defensive linemen get overrated and overvalued in the first round of the NFL draft, imo. They shoot up the draft boards, and many of them turn into busts.

Yeah great decision by Poe, gave up a National Championship at Auburn and went 2-10 at Memphis this year while Arkansas went 11-2.

Heck I would be lazy and depressed on the field too if I had made that bad of a decision, I figure a good positive winning environment will help him reach his potential in the league.

Never really know how recruits develop after high school, 5 stars don't even make it to this level, meanwhile 2-3 star athletes make it to the league. Just like the draft, college recruiting is a crap shoot also.

 

[Merlin]

I would be thrilled if we can get Poe or the guy from Miami, someone who can be a true nose tackle. They can say Ratliff is our NT all they want but he would be better at DE and it would help his career. It is getting more and more difficult for him to hold up to the double teams and he gets his pass rush by shooting gaps which leaves you out of position if you don't make the play. A true NT would just push the NT in the backfield.