Positives From This Loss

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Besides the obvious in the top 10 selection in each round and possibility to trade down in round 1, there are two other things that definitely benefit us in this loss going forward.

I made one of these threads when we lost and got the pick over Philly which turned into Lamb, firing Garrett, and Eagles not having Lamb cause he definitely woulda gone there. I’ll be a bit more preemptive with this one.

Other than top 10:

1. Nolan will be fired. In those last three games the defense looked like it was not only on the upswing but it was schematically gelling.

If the Joneses fell for that facade over the rest of the season like some here were beginning to, we would be in grave danger of wasting next season defensively.

2. Prospects available in the draft. This works in our favor twofold. In terms of us, the prospects available that we want will be there in the 8-12 range. We have a solid shot at trading back and getting another 2nd if a QB run happens.

Conversely, the prospects available for the NYG and WFT are no longer game changers. The Giants would’ve been guaranteed Davante Smith or Jamarr Chase if they lost and picked 7th. But winning gives them a pick after a few WR needy teams and makes it unlikely they get these generational talents.

If WFT takes care of business, they’ll pick at 19. That’s too late for them to pick a QB and trading up from down there to the top 7 requires a lot of ammo. The last thing we need is for those guys to get a real QB. Let them overspend in FA or sell picks for a vet (hopefully not Stafford) and waste the prime of that young defense. They’ll never be able to pick in the top 10 with that defense and Alex Smith being able to get them to 7-9 wins when healthy.

3. I know we beat 3 bad teams, but all the “momentum” and “fighting culture” we created during those three games magically disappears because we couldn’t win 4 games in a row?

We lost a close game to a division rival, wasn’t a blow out. And it’s hard to win 4 in a row in the NFL, this doesn’t mean we didn’t get anything positive in morale from winning those 3.



There are some real positives from losing this one outside of just the 8-10 pick. We’ll be fine.

*Que the overreaction about how an injury riddled 6-10 team couldn’t go 7-9 and get slaughtered in the playoffs by Tom Brady.
 
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STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! This is the problem with this fanbase and why things will never change. No matter how much this franchise screws up people always want to look on the bright side of things. There was nothing positive to gain from this season and there's no reason to believe that things will change in the future. How many times do you have to keep lying to yourself before you see the truth?
 
Well.... At least we pick around 10 spots sooner every round than if we would have won and WFT lost
 
STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! This is the problem with this fanbase and why things will never change. No matter how much this franchise screws up people always want to look on the bright side of things. There was nothing positive to gain from this season and there's no reason to believe that things will change in the future. How many times do you have to keep lying to yourself before you see the truth?
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STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! This is the problem with this fanbase and why things will never change. No matter how much this franchise screws up people always want to look on the bright side of things. There was nothing positive to gain from this season and there's no reason to believe that things will change in the future. How many times do you have to keep lying to yourself before you see the truth?
You’re a grumpy pants.
 
STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! This is the problem with this fanbase and why things will never change. No matter how much this franchise screws up people always want to look on the bright side of things. There was nothing positive to gain from this season and there's no reason to believe that things will change in the future. How many times do you have to keep lying to yourself before you see the truth?

better than looking at everything negative.
Many fans will NEVER try to find a bright spot. It is whine whine whine all the time.
At least there can be positive fans that can and will and do give criticism. I never see it the other from the haters.
 
STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! This is the problem with this fanbase and why things will never change. No matter how much this franchise screws up people always want to look on the bright side of things. There was nothing positive to gain from this season and there's no reason to believe that things will change in the future. How many times do you have to keep lying to yourself before you see the truth?
Not sure what’s so hard.

Would you rather pick 8-10 or 19?
-8/10 duh, so that’s the positive outcome of the two.

Would you rather have Mike Nolan or fired?
-Fired, duh. Well that’s probably going to happen so positive outcome there too.

How’s this not obvious to you??
 
Besides the obvious in the top 10 selection in each round and possibility to trade down in round 1, there are two other things that definitely benefit us in this loss going forward.

I made one of these threads when we lost and got the pick over Philly which turned into Lamb, firing Garrett, and Eagles not having Lamb cause he definitely woulda gone there. I’ll be a bit more preemptive with this one.

Other than top 10:

1. Nolan will be fired. In those last three games the defense looked like it was not only on the upswing but it was schematically gelling.

If the Joneses fell for that facade over the rest of the season like some here were beginning to, we would be in grave danger of wasting next season defensively.

2. Prospects available in the draft. This works in our favor twofold. In terms of us, the prospects available that we want will be there in the 8-12 range. We have a solid shot at trading back and getting another 2nd if a QB run happens.

Conversely, the prospects available for the NYG and WFT are no longer game changers. The Giants would’ve been guaranteed Davante Smith or Jamarr Chase if they lost and picked 7th. But winning gives them a pick after a few WR needy teams and makes it unlikely they get these generational talents.

If WFT takes care of business, they’ll pick at 19. That’s too late for them to pick a QB and trading up from down there to the top 7 requires a lot of ammo. The last thing we need is for those guys to get a real QB. Let them overspend in FA or sell picks for a vet (hopefully not Stafford) and waste the prime of that young defense. They’ll never be able to pick in the top 10 with that defense and Alex Smith being able to get them to 7-9 wins when healthy.

3. I know we beat 3 bad teams, but all the “momentum” and “fighting culture” we created during those three games magically disappears because we couldn’t win 4 games in a row?

We lost a close game to a division rival, wasn’t a blow out. And it’s hard to win 4 in a row in the NFL, this doesn’t mean we didn’t get anything positive in morale from winning those 3.



There are some real positives from losing this one outside of just the 8-10 pick. We’ll be fine.

*Que the overreaction about how an injury riddled 6-10 team couldn’t go 7-9 and get slaughtered in the playoffs by Tom Brady.
The problem there is that if Nolan is fired MM should be also. He recommended him.

Why in the WORLD is there a match with Moore AND MM?

I don't get that.

Its typical Jerry of trying to just put whatever together and hope it works.

Jerry was probably drunkenly impressed by how MM coached a team to the Super Bowl.

Now we suffer for 5 years at least
 
When people talk about picking sooner in each round you know they don't understand the draft.
 
STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! This is the problem with this fanbase and why things will never change. No matter how much this franchise screws up people always want to look on the bright side of things. There was nothing positive to gain from this season and there's no reason to believe that things will change in the future. How many times do you have to keep lying to yourself before you see the truth?
Like your whining makes a difference!!! Wake up!!!!
 
The problem there is that if Nolan is fired MM should be also. He recommended him.

Why in the WORLD is there a match with Moore AND MM?

I don't get that.

Its typical Jerry of trying to just put whatever together and hope it works.

Jerry was probably drunkenly impressed by how MM coached a team to the Super Bowl.

Now we suffer for 5 years at least
I’m fine with Mike being fired. And his relationship with Jerry isn’t the same as Garrett’s. I’m not worried about him making it past 3 seasons if he doesn’t get to a Divsional game at least.
 
When people talk about picking sooner in each round you know they don't understand the draft.

Yes as the teams that are tied rotate each round. So if we are tied with 3 teams, and pick 10th, then we pick 13th in the 2nd round, 12th in the 3rd.
Is that what you are referring to?
 
Yes as the teams that are tied rotate each round. So if we are tied with 3 teams, and pick 10th, then we pick 13th in the 2nd round, 12th in the 3rd.
Is that what you are referring to?
Even then, it’s 19th versus 9-13. The comparison is with our own outcome possibilities, not others.
 
STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! This is the problem with this fanbase and why things will never change. No matter how much this franchise screws up people always want to look on the bright side of things. There was nothing positive to gain from this season and there's no reason to believe that things will change in the future. How many times do you have to keep lying to yourself before you see the truth?
Jerry is that you
 
STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!!! This is the problem with this fanbase and why things will never change. No matter how much this franchise screws up people always want to look on the bright side of things. There was nothing positive to gain from this season and there's no reason to believe that things will change in the future. How many times do you have to keep lying to yourself before you see the truth?
I bet you’re a motivational speaker by trade.
 
I’m fine with Mike being fired. And his relationship with Jerry isn’t the same as Garrett’s. I’m not worried about him making it past 3 seasons if he doesn’t get to a Divsional game at least.
Yep sure.

But then we give the new hand picked puppet (probably the meek Moore) another 3 years.

I'm about sick of waiting for Jerry to get it right.
 

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