Possible 2nd round trade up scenario...

[silverbear]

And mock draft:

Having read the assorted rumors about the Boys looking to package Greg Ellis and possibly Patrick Crayton along with draft picks to move up in the 2nd round, I found myself starting to speculate about who Jerry might like so much that he'd want to trade up... the scenarios I've seen have him moving up into the 33-36 range (one proposed deal had Jerry shipping Ellis plus pick 51 plus presumably some later picks to Detroit for pick 33, another had him packaging Ellis and Crayton plus the Boys' pick 69 to Cleveland for pick 36 and pick 103)...

So, what players might still be on the board in the 30-50 range, that Jerry might like?? Working from the NFL Draft Scout top 100, these players might be on the board:

WR Hakeem Nicks, number 32...
C/OG Alex Mack, number 35...
WR Brian Robiskie, number 37...
LB Connor Barwin, number 39...
WR Kenny Britt, number 40...
LB Clint Sintim, number 41...
C Max Unger, number 42...
S Louis Delmas, number 45
C Eric Wood, number 46...

I'm going to assume that Delmas and Wood are not the targets, Jerry wouldn't have to trade down to the 33-36 range to acquire them... which leaves us with 3 WRs, 2 LBs and 2 Cs... particularly if Crayton was traded, I'd be inclined to believe that the target for such a tradeup would be a WR, meaning Nicks, Robiskiie or Britt... at the same time, the Boys have shown some interest in the two LBs, Barwin and Sintim, and with Greg Ellis packaged in the trade, another LB might make some sense...

Still, if Jerry trades up, my hunch is that it would be for a WR of his choosing...

If the Boys went with the second of the two trades, they'd still have pick 51, at which point they could choose from among:

S Patrick Chung, number 49,,,
S/CB Sean Smith, number 52...
OG Duke Robinson, number 53...
S William Moore, number 57...
WR Juaquin Iglesias, number 58...
LB Derry Beckwith, number 62...

If they went WR with the earlier second rounder, Iglesias would be highly unlikely, but if they went LB or C, then he'd be back in play here... we know the Boys have shown some interest in all 3 DBs, and IMO Smith or Moore would make perfect sense here... we also know the Boys like Beckwith too, though, and Robinson is perhaps my favorite offensive lineman in this draft...

So if Jerry were to make the trade with the Browns, he could go with Kenny Britt or Brian Robiskie at pick 36 (I like Nicks a lot, but think he'll be drafted late in the first round), then William Moore or Sean Smith at pick 51...

And then, speculating even more wildly, the Boys would hold 3 picks in the 4th round, numbers 100, 103 and 116 (once you factor in compensatory picks)... they could package 100 and 103 to move up to around pick 82 or 83 in the 3rd round, and choose from the following:

LB Tyrone McKenzie, number 76...
QB/SR Pat White, number 78...
S Rashad Johnson, number 82...
OG/C Andy Levitre, number 84...
DE Jarron Gilbert, number 85...
CB Keenan Lewis, number 86...
OT Troy Kropog, number 88...
WR Derrick Williams, number 89...
QB Nate Davis, number 90...
LB Cody Brown, number 91...

If I was drafting for the Boys, I'd be targeting Gilbert or Brown... Jarron is the prototype for a 3-4 DE, and Brown would fill the hole at LB created by the trade of Greg Ellis...

But Jerry's not done trading yet in this scenario... next, he packages picks 157 and 167 to move up to around pick 125, giving him two picks again in the 4th round, numbers 116 and 125... with those two picks, players who might interest them include:

C Antoine Caldwell, number 101...
OG Trevor Canfield, number 104...
QB Rhett Bomar, number 106...
S Jonathan Casillas, number 107...
S Michael Hamlin, number 108...
OT Tupou Fenuki, number 114...
WR Jarett Dillard, number 116...
S Derek Pegues, number 117...
LB Zack Follett, number 118...
DE Ricky Jean-Francois, number 120...
S Emmanuel Cook, number 127...
LB Jason Williams, number 129...

Finally, Jerry takes picks 197 and 211 and trades up to around pick 175... this leaves him with pick 172 (the 5th round comp pick), pick 175 and pick 211 (the 6th round comp pick)... players to target between 172 and 211 include:

WR Johnny Knox, number 171...
DT Sammie Lee Hill, number 172...
CB Joe Burnett, number 175...
OG Andy Kemp, number 181...
WR Quan Cosby, number 193...
TE John Phillips, number 194...
DT Chris Baker, number 197...
QB Nathan Brown, number 199...
LB Phillip Hunt, number 201...
OG Cornelius Lewis, number 205...
LB Josh Mauga, number 213...

Of this bunch, I'd target a NT (Baker) a LB (Hunt) and an OL (Lewis)...

Which would leave us with a draft that might look something like this:

2a, number 36-- Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers...
2b, number 51-- William Moore, S, Missouri...
3, c. number 82-- Jarron Gilbert, DE, San Jose State...
4a, c. number 116-- Tupou Fenuki, OT, Oregon...
4b, c. number 125-- Jason Williams, LB, Western Illinois...
5, c. number 172-- Chris Baker, NT, Hampton..
6a, c. number 175-- Phillip Hunt, LB, Houston...
6b, c. number 211-- Cornelius Lewis, OG, Tennessee State...

So, what do y'all think of that draft??

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I like the tiers you set up, nice research. Ill bite off them for my next mock.

Its a good draft overall.

Using all your trades Id substitute Duke for Moore. Then take Courtney Greene in the 5th whos just as good as Moore

Kenny Britt
Duke Robinson
Gilbert
Fenuki
Williams
Greene
Baker or Hunt
Lewis


Also, I love Britt, but hes going to be a Colston/Roy Williams. I dont know if thats the best fit.
Maybe Jerry likes Sintim w/ the trade up and Robeskie/Nicks/Harvin/Britt next

Something like

Clint Sintim
Britt/Harvin/Nicks/Robeski
Herman Johnson
Fenuki
Jason Williams
Courtney Greene
Baker/Hunt
Lewis

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Kenny Britt is a HUGEEEEEE drama queen. Believe me!! He is nothing but trouble. I hope we stay farrrrrr away from that guy.

Give me Robiskie..get rid of that punk Crayton...

Give me Sidbury and get rid of that whiny little girl Ellis

That's all I want..seriously..

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Kenny Britt is a HUGEEEEEE drama queen. Believe me!! He is nothing but trouble. I hope we stay farrrrrr away from that guy.

Give me Robiskie..get rid of that punk Crayton...

Give me Sidbury and get rid of that whiny little girl Ellis

That's all I want..seriously..

Nah, Believe me. Hes a stud.

He was almost always open even though Rutgers had a weak running game and not too much else at WR. And the QB was so bad for half the year he was almost benched. Still, Britt was unstoppable.

Give him Romo and all our other weapons and hell be a nightmare for defenses.

 

[SDogo]

You lost me some where in all that swapping and dealing and moving but then again Jerry does every year as well so it's probably very relasitic! lol

 

[dbair1967]

Give me Sidbury and get rid of that whiny little girl Ellis
..

perfect match for whiney little girl CZ fan base though...maybe he should stay

 

[dbair1967]

And mock draft:

Having read the assorted rumors about the Boys looking to package Greg Ellis and possibly Patrick Crayton along with draft picks to move up in the 2nd round

why would have to package Ellis, Crayton AND picks to move up? Ellis and Crayton together would be worth some team's 2nd rd pick

(one proposed deal had Jerry shipping Ellis plus pick 51 plus presumably some later picks to Detroit for pick 33,

again, way too much

another had him packaging Ellis and Crayton plus the Boys' pick 69 to Cleveland for pick 36 and pick 103)...

ditto

 

[silverbear]

I like the tiers you set up, nice research. Ill bite off them for my next mock.

Its a good draft overall.

Using all your trades Id substitute Duke for Moore. Then take Courtney Greene in the 5th whos just as good as Moore

Kenny Britt
Duke Robinson
Gilbert
Fenuki

Duke is one of my favorite players in this draft, I'd be quite happy if the Boys went that way... but if they did, it's rather unlikely that they'd go OL again early, so scratch Fenuki, and replace him with one of the safeties likely to go in that range (according to NFLDS)-- Jonathan Casillas, Mike Hamlin, Derek Pegues or Emmanuel Cook, in that order...

In that case, instead of Greene in the 5th, I'd draft Tom Brandstater, give the Boys their developmental QB to work with...

Also, I love Britt, but hes going to be a Colston/Roy Williams. I dont know if thats the best fit.

My 'druthers would be to have Hakeem Nicks fall, but I don't know how likely that is... if he's on the board at 33 or 36, and Jerry trades up, that would be my choice... from what I've read about him, his physical skills sound a lot like a young Michael Irvin...

I also like Juaquin Iglesias, but Jerry probably wouldn't have to trade up to draft him; he's like the 8th best WR in this draft, behind Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Darrius Hayward-Bey, Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks, Brian Robiskie and Kenny Britt, and I just don't see 8 WRs going in the first 50 picks...

Maybe Jerry likes Sintim w/ the trade up and Robeskie/Nicks/Harvin/Britt next

Something like

Clint Sintim
Britt/Harvin/Nicks/Robeski

I don't think any of those WRs fall as far as pick 51, but as I said earlier, Iglesias might... ...

Herman Johnson
Fenuki

I really don't see Herman lasting until the 4th round, but center Antoine Caldwell might...

 

[TheCount]

Kenny Britt is a HUGEEEEEE drama queen. Believe me!! He is nothing but trouble. I hope we stay farrrrrr away from that guy.

Give me Robiskie..get rid of that punk Crayton...

Give me Sidbury and get rid of that whiny little girl Ellis

That's all I want..seriously..

:toast:

 

[silverbear]

And mock draft:



why would have to package Ellis, Crayton AND picks to move up? Ellis and Crayton together would be worth some team's 2nd rd pick



again, way too much



ditto

I passed no judgement on the advisability of either trade, I simply commented on how the Boys might proceed IF there was any truth to them... this was a hypothetical exercise right from the start...

The truth is, I don't see the need to trade up from 51 at all... but I would make every attempt to package late round picks to move up into the middle rounds, there is some strength in this draft in rounds 4 and 5...

 

[Jordan55]

Bear as usual an enjoyable read, a very dedicated Cowboy fan, I like the draft, but would like to see us draft a corner since that position leaves us in a precarious position should one of the three go down to an injury as we all know Newman is no sure bet any more. I guess we will look to free agency to cure that situation

 

[TheCount]

Bear as usual an enjoyable read, a very dedicated Cowboy fan, I like the draft, but would like to see us draft a corner since that position leaves us in a precarious position should one of the three go down to an injury as we all know Newman is no sure bet any more. I guess we will look to free agency to cure that situation

I think we'll definitely draft a corner, but I'm not sure the value will be there at 51. This isn't a particularly good draft for CB's, last years class was much much better.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Excellent job Silverbear. If we can pull that kind of drfat off Jerry needs to give himself a raise. However I just can't see Jarron Gilbert lasting that long. I will be shocked if he doesn't go early in the 2nd rd.

I also here we met with him so he could be a target if we indeed move up.

 

[Jordan55]

I think we'll definitely draft a corner, but I'm not sure the value will be there at 51. This isn't a particularly good draft for CB's, last years class was much much better.

I agree with you, and I would not consider a corner with our 51st pick, and of course the value diminishes as we go further into the draft.
I believe we need to address this position through free agency for this year
and address it in next years draft

 

[SLATEmosphere]

perfect match for whiney little girl CZ fan base though...maybe he should stay

There's alot of whiny little girls here then..

 

[BAT]

Fenuki Tupou looks like a football player, but does not always come to play. He is inconsistent, does not have passion for the game. I would pass.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Nah, Believe me. Hes a stud.

He was almost always open even though Rutgers had a weak running game and not too much else at WR. And the QB was so bad for half the year he was almost benched. Still, Britt was unstoppable.

Give him Romo and all our other weapons and hell be a nightmare for defenses.

I like Britt a whole lot. I'd love to have him here but I can't see us getting him.

 

[jterrell]

Looking at your list I'd assume the target is Clint Sintim. He is somewhat unique in this draft having played in a 3-4. He becomes the 3rd OLB on draft day and Spencer hasn't done anything to suggest he has a lock on the 2nd spot.

Jerry every year looks at the cost to move up and also factors in what he can get by moving down. Its just due diligence. I am pretty sure any talk now is just feeling things out and means next to nothing.

What could happen is a trade on draft day. Not much for a team to gain making a trade right now on either side.

It could be a safety from the standpoint that guy can start for us. We do have an opening for one.

Successful drafting is mostly about two things to me.
1) Draft guys that are good values where selected.
2) Draft guys you have a plan for in the system.

Kevin Burnett is an example here. He was a good LB but in the 3-4 he was simply not big enough to stay healthy. He is a natural 220 pound guy that bulks up to 240 in the off-season eating everything h can and just lifting weights. The season starts and he is under 230 almost all of it.

Compare that to Bradie James. James was selected much lower then Burnett. 42nd pick was Burnett while James was 103. But Bradie James is a much better fit as a 3-4 ILB. He is a borderline Pro Bowler. Burnett is a good player who can't stay healthy here and who obviously hjas more value to other teams.

So I think this team can and will come up with a plan for what they want at safety and draft that guy. I think they can and will come up with a plan for what they want at OLB behind the starters and will come up with that guy.

It is entirely possible imho that losing Ellis means you need Sintim because there isn't another player you feel comfortable with lower in the draft. Sidbury is a solid athlete but he is very raw right now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Duke is one of my favorite players in this draft, I'd be quite happy if the Boys went that way... but if they did, it's rather unlikely that they'd go OL again early, so scratch Fenuki

I'd scratch Fenuki regardless

just don't like him as a prospect very much, he's not particularly good at anything

 

[visionary]

Bear, good read as usual

I just cannot imagine taking a WR with our first pick (and especially trading up to get a WR), that would mean we took WRs with our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd picks (and any other picks we had to give up in the trade up). that would be completely asinine.

i think if we trade up it will be for LB or safety. i doubt that we trade up though unless there is someone we just cant pass up.

i think we try to trade ellis for draft picks or to trade up in a later round.