Post game thoughts

[bbgun]

Great post Bear!! Thank You for the witch-slappin reality check.


David:laugh1::laugh2:

Why are you thanking him? He didn't even see the game. He relying on misleading stats for god's sake. Those who did see the game say that the first unit got manhandled. Period. There is no silver lining.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Why are you thanking him? He didn't even see the game. He relying on misleading stats for god's sake. Those who did see the game say that the first unit got manhandled. Period. There is no silver lining.

You need more bb's..your gun shoots blanks :laugh2::laugh1:

 

[silverbear]

Why are you thanking him? He didn't even see the game.

Didn't see it, but I heard the first three quarters of it, before I had to head to work... let's just say that the announce team didn't see things the way you did...

He relying on misleading stats for god's sake.

And how are they misleading?? Try bringing some FACTS, instead of your questionable opinions...

Those who did see the game say that the first unit got manhandled. Period. There is no silver lining.

There is no way possible you could call the starters' effort a "manhandling", when the stats were so EVEN in the first half... if there WAS the domination you're claiming, it WOULD be reflected in the stats sheet...

Excuse me if I choose statistical fact over the subjective opinion of somebody whose football knowledge I have zero respect for...

 

[Clove]

From the great words of the great "Campo", let me look at the tape.

From first glance, the OLine stunk it up.. But let me re-watch and give me my true opinion on what I see..

 

[bbgun]

There is no way possible you could call the starters' effort a "manhandling", when the stats were so EVEN in the first half... if there WAS the domination you're claiming, it WOULD be reflected in the stats sheet...

That's funny. The first thing out of Brad Sham's mouth on the postgame show was the o-line getting MANHANDLED. Unlike you, he saw the game with his own two eyes. Have you bothered to read the threads authored by fans who attended the game? They're unanimous in their condemnation of the line. And no, decent pass-blocking does not negate piss-poor run blocking. Nor are we going to pass our way to the playoffs.

Excuse me if I choose statistical fact over the subjective opinion of somebody whose football knowledge I have zero respect for..

Go to bed, dweeb. You're clearly tired.

 

[pancakeman]

I know getting Adams back will help some, but he cant make the other 4 guys suddenly look good more often than not.

Isn't it the case that with Flozell playing before his injury last season, our O-line looked good more often than not? He CAN make a big difference.

 

[silverbear]

That's funny. The first thing out of Brad Sham's mouth on the postgame show was the o-line getting MANHANDLED.

And of course, Sham is oracle of all things football...

Nor are we going to pass our way to the playoffs.

You say that like it's never happened before... but I didn't say we were JUST gonna pass our way to the playoffs, I said a good passing offense PLUS a good defense will get you in the playoffs...

Let's put it this way-- if the Cowboys finish up in the top 5 in passing offense, and in the top 5 in total defense, they WILL be in the playoffs...

Feel free to remind me of this assertion at season's end, if I'm wrong... for sure, I'll be reminding you of it if I'm right... LOL...

 

[Dale]

Yeah, what's so wrong with a wide-open passing attack, if it WORKS??

Doesn't it seem like whenever we go three wide we're damn dominant? Or, at the least, dominant when we focus on the pass and not the run.

 

[DMX690]

Doesn't it seem like whenever we go three wide we're damn dominant? Or, at the least, dominant when we focus on the pass and not the run.

As long as the offensive line gives Bledsoe enough time. This offense should be very hard to stop, against any defences in the league. With T.O, Glenn, Witten and the combination either JJ and MB 3 on the field at the same time. I find it hard to imagine not being able to move the football constantly. But, success depend on the offensive line play. With Adams back in the lineup, the o-line should improve.

 

[ZeroClub]

As long as the offensive line gives Bledsoe enough time. This offense should be very hard to stop, against any defences in the league. With T.O, Glenn, Witten and the combination either JJ and MB 3 on the field at the same time. I find it hard to imagine not being able to move the football constantly. But, success depend on the offensive line play. With Adams back in the lineup, the o-line should improve.

Yup.

And that's the crux of the issue.

If Bledsoe plays, he needs the weakest and most inconsistent unit of the team, the OL, to consistently play well.

Bledsoe is a fine QB, but he isn't a good match for the realities of the current situation.

Romo isn't a great match either, given his inexperience, but at least with Romo you've got a guy who can make a play when the OL doesn't. (Sometimes the play will be good, sometimes it'll be bad).

 

[The30YardSlant]

probably my one and only post for a few days, as I'm heading to Vegas for the weekend...

very disappointing end to preseason...our 1st team got whooped physically on both lines tonight, cant really make excuses, they just got abused...OL was absolutely putrid...just awful...I know getting Adams back will help some, but he cant make the other 4 guys suddenly look good more often than not...we play alot of teams with good defensive fronts this yr and what I saw tonight wont hardly get it done against any of them

1) as mentioned, OL very poor in run and pass blocking...and it wasnt one guy either...all 5 starters got man-handled by the Vikes front 7, they looked like the 85 Bears against our offense in the first half, and they are NOT the 85 Bears...we either have a bunch of real stiffs on the OL or the worst OL coach in football...at this point I think it might be both

2) while alot of people have been singing the praises of the starting D, you might want to look at a few disturbing numbers...such as "0"...thats the number of sacks out starting D got in the last 3 preseason games...other than a couple plays our starting D got absolutely no pass rush whatsoever, and this is a 3 game thing now...seems we still have an issue trying to force turnovers as well...I think Henry has the only turnover forced by our starters

3) what we saw tonight is a good case for why you dont sign old kickers...I dont care what his history was, he kicked poorly all of camp and he kicked awful tonight..he will lose games for us this yr, period. I think his issue at this point is more mental than physical

the above 3 reasons are why we've been mediocre for Parcell's 3 seasons here, and unless they are improved rather quickly we will be mediocre again...you cant win in this league if you cant block and rush the passer some, and we can do niether...it also doesnt help your cause when you cant find a kicker who can even make the gimmee's more often than not...we've now missed 3 fg's in the last two games, none were over 35 yds

If I were Parcells, Ireland and Jones I'd be working OT on the phones looking for OL help and a kicker...as I've said for a couple yrs now, the pass rush thing just isnt going to work out until someone else is designing the scheme so we will have to make do with what we have...but there are definite reasons for concern

David

Yes, nevermind the fact that Dallas blitzed all of two times in this game and 4 times all preseason

 

[dbair1967]

I don't what game you were watching (I only got to listen to a radio feed online), but the stats sheet doesn't bear that out at all...

In the first half, the Cowobys had 162 yards of total offense on 32 plays, while the Vikings had 157 yards on 25 plays... sounds like a pretty evenly played game to me...



Say what??!? Yeah, the run blocking was atrocious, as it has been most of preseason, but in the first half the Boys threw the ball 20 times, and never gave up a sack... for the game, they threw it 56 times, again without a sack... for that matter, the Vikings only had one quarterback HURRY listed in the stats sheet... now, Cowboys quarterbacks did have to run the ball 4 times...

56 pass plays without a sack is "poor pass blocking"?? How in God's name do you throw for 418 yards in a game-- even an overtime game-- with poor pass blocking??

Bottom line, the Boys called 60 pass plays in the game, allowed zero sacks, one hurry, and their quarterbacks had to run 4 times... that's really GOOD pass protection... seems your standards are just about impossibly high... certainly, they're unrealistic...



Oh, sweet Jay-sus... Parcells himself said this week that the Cowboys have called two blitzes all preseason (that doesn't mean they only blitzed twice, it means they only called two different kinds of blitzes)...



I agree completely here... the kicking situation, and the run blocking, are my two biggest worries going into the regular season...

But I also think that a team that throws the ball well and plays good defense can win a lot of games...

Bottom line, the Cowboys are 3-0-1 this preseason, have given up fewer points per game than any other team in preseason, and it looks quite likely that they'll be the top rated offense in the preseason... of course, I know that doesn't mean anything when opening day rolls around, but it surely disputes your excessively negative take on things...

without getting into much of a pie throwing thing here SB its obvious you didnt watch the game to me...our OL was terrible...sure we had alot of yards and stuff, but we had only 12 yds rushing at halftime...Julius Jones was stopped for zero or a loss on nearly EVERY carry...the 12 yds rushing we amassed consisted of a scramble by Bledsoe for 3yds, a scramble by Romo for 8 or 9 yds and a bunch of carriers for nothing by our RB's...in terms of pass blocking, they might have given up zero sacks, but Bledsoe on most plays had no time to throw whatsoever and got beaten up bigtime...Romo avoided what would have been several sacks (again) because he does have some mobility...both QB's threw ALOT of bad passes because of the pass rush

there was a HUGE difference between the no sacks we allowed in the first half and the no sacks the Vikes got in the first half...its stuff that doesnt show up in the boxscore...we hardly touched their QB and they were running guys free to our backfield left and right vs the run and the pass

bottom line is if you (or anyone, not just singling you out) dont see the game, you really cant comment much on what happened...I watched every play with another Dallas fan and his take was pretty much the same as mine...it was a dreadful performance and IMO there are real reasons for concern because I see alot of the same issues as the past few seasons...total inability to run block, inconsistent pass protection, no pass rush with a 4 man front whatsoever and a poor kicking game

David

 

[4lifecowboy]

From the great words of the great "Campo", let me look at the tape.

From first glance, the OLine stunk it up.. But let me re-watch and give me my true opinion on what I see..

After a second look I did notice the first half Minnesota was stacking the line against the run and blitzing seemingly two out of every three downs.

 

[dbair1967]

Yes, nevermind the fact that Dallas blitzed all of two times in this game and 4 times all preseason

thats about the only encouraging thing you can say about the lack of pass rush...but on the flip side:

1) we have alot of talent up front...other teams generate pass rushes with 4 guys, why cant we?

2) blitzing is fine if you are good at it, but when have we shown under Zimmer to be a good blitzing team? It isnt like he's only been here a yr or so, its 6+ years now

3) if you have to totally rely on the blitz to get pressure, eventually it bites you in the arse bigtime

David

 

[dbair1967]

Didn't see it, but I heard the first three quarters of it, before I had to head to work... let's just say that the announce team didn't see things the way you did...



And how are they misleading?? Try bringing some FACTS, instead of your questionable opinions...



There is no way possible you could call the starters' effort a "manhandling", when the stats were so EVEN in the first half... if there WAS the domination you're claiming, it WOULD be reflected in the stats sheet...

Excuse me if I choose statistical fact over the subjective opinion of somebody whose football knowledge I have zero respect for...

and again, if you actually watched the game you'd easily see why the stats are misleading...for one thing alot of our "stats" were ran up in junk time...some of our succesful offensive plays were kinda lucky or made with a guy running for his life

I dont care much in preseason for total stats, I care about what happens on the field with the starters and key backups...and for 3 straight games the starting defense failed to get a sack or mount any sort of a consistent pass rush...they forced one turnover...the starting OL is probably averaging less than 3.0 yds per rush attempt and our kicker stinks

David

 

[silverbear]

bottom line is if you (or anyone, not just singling you out) dont see the game, you really cant comment much on what happened...

I sure do wish I had a dollar for every time somebody told me that... my response is always the same, if you know how to read a stats sheet, if you UNDERSTAND the stats, they DO tell you what happened in a game...

Incidentally, while I didn't see the game, I did listen to it, at least, I caught the first half, which is what we're talking about...

 

[silverbear]

and again, if you actually watched the game you'd easily see why the stats are misleading...for one thing alot of our "stats" were ran up in junk time...

Nope, that won't work either... you see, the HALFTIME stats show a VERY even game...

Somewhere in one of these threads, AdamJT13 provided a breakdown of those halftime stats... seems he sees that first half pretty much the way I did...

I dont care much in preseason for total stats, I care about what happens on the field with the starters and key backups...and for 3 straight games the starting defense failed to get a sack or mount any sort of a consistent pass rush...they forced one turnover...the starting OL is probably averaging less than 3.0 yds per rush attempt and our kicker stinks

Wow, I guess I'd better start gettin' ready for basketball season... :laugh1:

 

[Frosty]

I don't what game you were watching (I only got to listen to a radio feed online), but the stats sheet doesn't bear that out at all...

In the first half, the Cowobys had 162 yards of total offense on 32 plays, while the Vikings had 157 yards on 25 plays... sounds like a pretty evenly played game to me...

Say what??!? Yeah, the run blocking was atrocious, as it has been most of preseason, but in the first half the Boys threw the ball 20 times, and never gave up a sack... for the game, they threw it 56 times, again without a sack... for that matter, the Vikings only had one quarterback HURRY listed in the stats sheet... now, Cowboys quarterbacks did have to run the ball 4 times...

56 pass plays without a sack is "poor pass blocking"?? How in God's name do you throw for 418 yards in a game-- even an overtime game-- with poor pass blocking??

Bottom line, the Boys called 60 pass plays in the game, allowed zero sacks, one hurry, and their quarterbacks had to run 4 times... that's really GOOD pass protection... seems your standards are just about impossibly high... certainly, they're unrealistic...

Oh, sweet Jay-sus... Parcells himself said this week that the Cowboys have called two blitzes all preseason (that doesn't mean they only blitzed twice, it means they only called two different kinds of blitzes)...


I agree completely here... the kicking situation, and the run blocking, are my two biggest worries going into the regular season...

But I also think that a team that throws the ball well and plays good defense can win a lot of games...

Bottom line, the Cowboys are 3-0-1 this preseason, have given up fewer points per game than any other team in preseason, and it looks quite likely that they'll be the top rated offense in the preseason... of course, I know that doesn't mean anything when opening day rolls around, but it surely disputes your excessively negative take on things...

maybe you should watch the game... Our QB was scrambling on every play, they knocked Bledsoe out of the game, I believe JJ had grand total of 2 yards rushing. The OL simple SUCKED...

 

[baj1dallas]

Well the pass blocking was fairly good for the most part. The run blocking had some good points but overall it was more bad than good. No reason to panic, it (oline) will get better but it's never going to be a dominant unit...which is unfortunate going up against Jacksonville, this game could help game plan for them. The offense can still be really good when Bledsoe, TO, Glenn, and Witten get going and open things up for Julius. They really need to make this a pass first offense imo.

I'm not worried about the defense, in the end they only gave up 10 points and I know TNew and Roy are both going to take that TD to heart.

You got to remember there's not a whole lot of teams that have lines like Minnesota, this was a good preseason awakening, we get a nice rest before the season starts, TO will be healthy, hopefully Bledsoe's ok, Romo looks good, if Ellis and Ware make things happen, this team will win games.

 

[Aikmaniac]

David, I'm in the middle ground here. The Cowboys have been played up so much the past couple weeks because they haven't faced an average opponent, much less above average. This game was a reality check for the squad. They needed it.

On the other hand, if we think our team's in dire straits...how do Commanders fans feel? I mean, everything you read from them is "it's only preseason, we've only used 3 offensive plays all preseason, Coach Gibbs is letting the cheerleaders call plays, blah blah blah".

The point is that I'm holding judgment until after the Jax game. I'm not going to kiss their butts and I'm not going to fax bomb Valley Ranch. The running game has been just average. Some of that might be just seeing how the OL performs against 8-man fronts, some of it may be poor play by the OL, etc. I am excited about Marion Barber. For some reason, he continues to improve while Julius can't get going. It is preseason, however.

David, I agree with you though. We're all salivating to see this "high-potent" O open up a can on the opposing team and sometimes it's frustrating to hear some of the same things we've heard in years past. The OL won't become probowlers in one week. I listened to the game and heard Sham say "no gain" or "loss" on many running plays. Some adjustments will be made, I'm sure, to prepare for that monster DL Jax has. We may see 3-WR sets on very few occassions and many 2-TE sets.

As far as the defense goes, it's good to let them see that they are vulnerable...especially Newman. Make no mistake, that guy will absolutely shutdown the Jax receivers...I'm sure he's pissed. I am concerned, depth-wise, with nose tackle behind Ferguson. The Vikes ran at will in the 2nd half right up the gut. I'd like to see video before I totally rake the 2nd team DL over the coals, but it was definitely frustrating listening to it.

Carpenter's gotta go through some growing pains in the newer ILB position. He's more reactive right now, but that's to be expected. He may crack the startling lineup by midseason, but not before then, in my opinion.

I'd like to see how Robinson or whoever got behind Henry on the long pass play with Bradicus Johnson. "Many people don't give Fred Flinstone the credit he deserves"...who else is tired of hearing that? Why is he on his second trip to Minnesota now? He did make minced meat of our starting O however...and that's a shame. Rest assured much more blitzing would be called in the regular season...I hope.

We'll know a lot more by next week.