Pre-Snap Reads - How Dak Prescott Can Advance From Historic Rookie Season

erod · Jul 28, 2017

Sepia said:
Then who was the greatest rookie QB?

Dan Marino.

Really more his second year when he broke virtually record in existence.

BourbonBalz · Jul 28, 2017

erod said:
Dan Marino.

I posted Marino too, off the top of my head. But, after checking out his stats, I deleted the post because Dak definitely had a better rookie season than Marino. Marino's second year was tremendous though.

jday · Jul 28, 2017

Sepia said:
Then who was the greatest rookie QB?

Many point to Dan Marino. Personally, I didn't see his rookie season so Dak's the only horse I have in this race.

Plumfool · Jul 28, 2017

Denim Chicken said:
Good article, thanks for posting. I like Cian Fahey, but not sure about his prowess with metaphors:

Nick Foles’ presence still hangs over super-efficient quarterbacks like a bad five o’clock shadow.

To be fair that's a simile

BourbonBalz · Jul 28, 2017

jday said:
Many point to Dan Marino. Personally, I didn't see his rookie season so Dak's the only horse I have in this race.

Being almost 55 years old, I was definitely around to see all of the Marino years. He was absolutely tremendous. However, his rookie year was not spectacular. It was good, but not as good as Dak. He absolutely tore the league up his second year and set some passing records that stood for quite a while. I checked his stats and he only passed for just barely over 200 yards per game his rookie year. He threw 48 TD passes his second year.

Super_Kazuya · Jul 28, 2017

Star4Ever said:
Being almost 55 years old, I was definitely around to see all of the Marino years. He was absolutely tremendous. However, his rookie year was not spectacular. It was good, but not as good as Dak. He absolutely tore the league up his second year and set some passing records that stood for quite a while. I checked his stats and he only passed for just barely over 200 yards per game his rookie year. He threw 48 TD passes his second year.

Today I learned you could directly compare stats from seasons 33 years apart.
If you adjust Marino's stats from 1983 they are better than Dak's. Besides, do you really think that 22 year old Dan Marino was not 90% as good as the 23 year old Dan Marino who would revolutionize football? C'mon.

BourbonBalz · Jul 28, 2017

Super_Kazuya said:
Today I learned you could directly compare stats from seasons 33 years apart.
If you adjust Marino's stats from 1983 they are better than Dak's. Besides, do you really think that 22 year old Dan Marino was not 90% as good as the 23 year old Dan Marino who would revolutionize football? C'mon.

The stats are what they are. Miami/Marino played the game very similar to how it's played today. They were pass happy. As far as 22 year old v. 23 year old Marino, that's two different seasons. The question is about ROOKIE seasons. I'm pretty sure Marino was NOT a rookie in his second year when he "revolutionized" football. C'mon, don't be as dense as a brick.

Super_Kazuya · Jul 28, 2017

Star4Ever said:
The stats are what they are. Miami/Marino played the game very similar to how it's played today. They were pass happy. As far as 22 year old v. 23 year old Marino, that's two different seasons. The question is about ROOKIE seasons. I'm pretty sure Marino was NOT a rookie in his second year when he "revolutionized" football. C'mon, don't be as dense as a brick.

So by your logic, Dak is better than Roger Staubach because the stats are what they are. Brilliant.

BourbonBalz · Jul 28, 2017

Dak played in 4 more games than Marino during their respective rookie years. (It's really 5 more, but since Dak barely played in week 17 against Philly, I'm throwing it out). As a result, you can't look just at total yards and total TDs, etc. However, Dak completed 67.8% of his passes to Marino's 58.4. Dak lead in yards per attempt by a small amount. Dak threw 4 interceptions to Marino's 6 in 4 more games played (5 if you count the last Philly game). Dak averaged 229 yards per game (244 if you throw out the Philly game) and Marino averaged 201. Dak threw 3 more TD passes, but he did play in more games. I won't even mention rushing stats and TDs because that just wouldn't be fair. The bottom line is he had a better rookie year than Marino and it can't be disputed.

BourbonBalz · Jul 28, 2017

Super_Kazuya said:
So by your logic, Dak is better than Roger Staubach because the stats are what they are. Brilliant.

You need to improve your reading comprehension skills. This entire thread is not about who is the better player. It's about which QB had the better rookie season. You obviously possess zero logic, or you simply can't read.

Super_Kazuya · Jul 28, 2017

Star4Ever said:
Dak played in 4 more games than Marino during their respective rookie years. (It's really 5 more, but since Dak barely played in week 17 against Philly, I'm throwing it out). As a result, you can't look just at total yards and total TDs, etc. However, Dak completed 67.8% of his passes to Marino's 58.4. Dak lead in yards per attempt by a small amount. Dak threw 4 interceptions to Marino's 6 in 4 more games played (5 if you count the last Philly game). Dak averaged 229 yards per game (244 if you throw out the Philly game) and Marino averaged 201. Dak threw 3 more TD passes, but he did play in more games. I won't even mention rushing stats and TDs because that just wouldn't be fair. The bottom line is he had a better rookie year than Marino and it can't be disputed.

Today I learned you can directly compare stats 33 years apart. Because the NFL was exactly the same. Dak's rookie season is better than prime Roger Staubach. You just compare the numbers. It's amazing.

BourbonBalz · Jul 28, 2017

Super_Kazuya said:
Today I learned you can directly compare stats 33 years apart. Because the NFL was exactly the same. Dak's rookie season is better than prime Roger Staubach. You just compare the numbers. It's amazing.

See above. You still having reading comprehension issues? Should I post one word at a time so you can follow? ROOKIE SEASONS!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT???????

BourbonBalz · Jul 28, 2017

FYI, Marino attempted 27 passes per game in his rookie season. Dak attempted a little over 28. Essentially the same as far as attempts are concerned.

Sepia · Jul 28, 2017

Not related, but Jerry says Dak is the QB Staubach had in mind when they asked his opinion on what they should look for in a QB:

Super_Kazuya · Jul 28, 2017

Star4Ever said:
See above. You still having reading comprehension issues? Should I post one word at a time so you can follow? ROOKIE SEASONS!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT???????

It is perfectly possible to adjust statistics within the context of the era and a lot of advanced sports statistics revolve around these ideas, especially baseball. Both rookie versions of Marino and Prescott where third in their respective league in passer rating. Marino had a rating of 96.0, and he was only 1.6 points behind #1. Prescott had a rating of 104.9, but he was 12 points behind #1. You can't just compare the two numbers directly and draw any kind of meaningful conclusion.
I am more than happy to go into further detail, but until you acknowledge that you just can't compare statistics three and a half decades apart, we're not going to go anywhere.

BourbonBalz · Jul 28, 2017

Super_Kazuya said:
It is perfectly possible to adjust statistics within the context of the era and a lot of advanced sports statistics revolve around these ideas, especially baseball. Both rookie versions of Marino and Prescott where third in their respective league in passer rating. Marino had a rating of 96.0, and he was only 1.6 points behind #1. Prescott had a rating of 104.9, but he was 12 points behind #1. You can't just compare the two numbers directly and draw any kind of meaningful conclusion.
I am more than happy to go into further detail, but until you acknowledge that you just can't compare statistics three and a half decades apart, we're not going to go anywhere.

I'm not going to waste my time with anyone that can't comprehend simple English. Sorry.

DFWJC · Jul 28, 2017

ThreeandOut said:
Yeah, for all of the good points made throughout the rest of the article, he really doesn't offer anything to back that statement up.

Where did they say he didn't have the best rookie season?

Both you and Sepia seem to say they said that, and even get defensive about it, but I must've missed it.

I saw them say the exact opposite, actually.

The article said
"Statistically it was the greatrst rookie season in the history of the NFL."

Super_Kazuya · Jul 28, 2017

Star4Ever said:
I'm not going to waste my time with anyone that can't comprehend simple English. Sorry.

It's just as well... you've embarrassed yourself enough.

DFWJC · Jul 28, 2017

SDCowboy85 said:
This is what I was wondering. lol

Where did they say otherwise?

Sepia · Jul 28, 2017

Prescott wasn’t the greatest rookie quarterback in the history of football. He also wasn’t Nick Foles.

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