Prescott and Bryant, Prescott vs. top defenses

[khiladi]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/route-breakdown-go-routes/

Look at the numbers in 2014. We had our X and Z receivers running 200 go routes. BOTH starting WRs were in the top 3 for go routes.

Look at Escobar's numbers.. the offense relies heavily on go routes and going downfield when it's Romo.

When your the X WR in the offense, your facing the best CB on the game and our routes are not variations. That requires a QB that is deadly accurate.

And it's not about being predicated on the run and Dez wants to be greedy. We RAN Murray to death in 2014, so it's not simply an issue of being a run first team that takes away from Dez.

With Dak we started to run play action a lot more significantly. With Romo, though we increased with Linehan in terms of play action usage from 2013, we were still 23th on 2014. Dak already has over 35 more play action attempts than Romo with two games to match Romo 2014 season. So we are using play action as our staple passing offense, while with Romo it was traditional fro back passing.

If you want to know why the numbers probably drop for Dak, look at the routes in regard to Dez and the CB he has to throw against. The best CB is the guy whose covering the X. Don't expect Dak to place it on windows that Romo can on such lack of variation when a Dez is doing is running go routes against the best cover with safety help often over the Middle.

Also, the fact that both TWill and Escobar were running that many go routes is probably evidence to the fact that Dez's routes are not so much an issue that he can't run others that well, it's because that is the staple of the offense.

 

[DandyDon52]

When the cowboys win Sunday night, there are several posters who will be eating large servings of humble pie. And I can bet those same posters want us to lose, so Romo can play.

Well they want Dak to play bad mainly, and if that means the team losing that is ok.
Anything to get romo back in.

It is ironic, as someone had to replace romo eventually, and I guess they wanted tony to win a SB, then retire, then we get a
new qb.
A similar situation happened with montana and young, joe got hurt , young took over and won , led them to playoffs, at end of season
joe was ready to play and suited up on sideline.
In playoffs, SF got beat, and I felt like had they put joe back in they might have won the playoff game.
I thought joe was the better qb, so that is how romo fans are looking at this, so I get it.
Joe was at end of his career too, but still had a year or so left.

 

[xwalker]

True or False?

Dak played poorly last week.

He was about a B or B- in that game.

Definitely good enough to win. If the WRs had played B games, then nobody would be complaining about Dak. He hit several WRs in the hands with the ball and they dropped it or fumbled it. His 1st INT would have been a perfect pass but the WR fell down.

 

[mattjames2010]

He was about a B or B- in that game.

Definitely good enough to win. If the WRs had played B games, then nobody would be complaining about Dak. He hit several WRs in the hands with the ball and they dropped it or fumbled it. His 1st INT would have been a perfect pass but the WR fell down.

LOL still clinging to this mess, are ya?

We had 7 points in 4 quarters. 7. That's with a back that got us over 100 yards and multiple turnovers on defense.

B or B-. You're ridiculous, dude.

 

[xwalker]

LOL still clinging to this mess, are ya?

We had 7 points in 4 quarters. 7. That's with a back that got us over 100 yards and multiple turnovers on defense.

B or B-. You're ridiculous, dude.

Dak can't throw and catch. Somebody actually has to catch the balls that hit them in the hands and they can't fumble away a 3rd down conversion once the pass has been executed properly. They can't drop a TD pass that is momentarily in both hands. They can't drop a perfectly thrown ball on a slant. They can make a dumb exaggerated cut and fall down on a timing route. They can't bail out of a route.

 

[mattjames2010]

Dak can't throw and catch. Somebody actually has to catch the balls that hit them in the hands and they can't fumble away a 3rd down conversion once the pass has been executed properly. They can't drop a TD pass that is momentarily in both hands. They can't drop a perfectly thrown ball on a slant. They can make a dumb exaggerated cut and fall down on a timing route. They can't bail out of a route.

That "dumb exaggerated cut" is your bias interpretation.

You're now leaving out the multiple inaccurate passes from Dak or holding onto the ball too long when he had receivers to throw to. I was hoping you were trolling with this nonsense, but you're not.

1 TD, 2 INTs, less than 200 yards, 0 pocket presence, and inaccurate throws throughout the game does not justify your grading here. Stop trying, it was ridiculous the first time you attempting to push that crap and it's even more ridiculous now after the all-22 came out.

 

[kramskoi]

LOL still clinging to this mess, are ya?

We had 7 points in 4 quarters. 7. That's with a back that got us over 100 yards and multiple turnovers on defense.

B or B-. You're ridiculous, dude.

15 offensive possessions and the Giants defense minus JPP...Rams, Bears and Browns all put up more points with JPP in the lineup for New York. His grade for the Giants game is a D...which comports with it being his worst game this year, worse than his first game against the Giants. I would give him a B for the Vikings game...

 

[NextGenBoys]

Don't think he has a problem getting it to Beasley or Witten, even Williams to an extent, Williams is just an inconsistent body catcher.

Yes, and they're not getting any attention to them like Dez is either. Brase has seen his production drop off as of late too.

 

[NextGenBoys]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/route-breakdown-go-routes/

Look at the numbers in 2014. We had our X and Z receivers running 200 go routes. BOTH starting WRs were in the top 3 for go routes.

Look at Escobar's numbers.. the offense relies heavily on go routes and going downfield when it's Romo.

When your the X WR in the offense, your facing the best CB on the game and our routes are not variations. That requires a QB that is deadly accurate.

And it's not about being predicated on the run and Dez wants to be greedy. We RAN Murray to death in 2014, so it's not simply an issue of being a run first team that takes away from Dez.

With Dak we started to run play action a lot more significantly. With Romo, though we increased with Linehan in terms of play action usage from 2013, we were still 23th on 2014. Dak already has over 35 more play action attempts than Romo with two games to match Romo 2014 season. So we are using play action as our staple passing offense, while with Romo it was traditional fro back passing.

If you want to know why the numbers probably drop for Dak, look at the routes in regard to Dez and the CB he has to throw against. The best CB is the guy whose covering the X. Don't expect Dak to place it on windows that Romo can on such lack of variation when a Dez is doing is running go routes against the best cover with safety help often over the Middle.

Also, the fact that both TWill and Escobar were running that many go routes is probably evidence to the fact that Dez's routes are not so much an issue that he can't run others that well, it's because that is the staple of the offense.

A few years back you just seemed like a troll with all your hate and whining about Garrett. But posts like this are great, and a fantastic analysis on the reality of the situation.

The coaches got lazy the last few games. They coach like "they can know what's coming and still can't stop us."

Which is awful because teams are too good now days. If we can get back the scheming to win, rather than just simply thinking we're going to out execute the other team every single week, we will be fine.

We'll learn a lot after tonight.

 

[khiladi]

A few years back you just seemed like a troll with all your hate and whining about Garrett. But posts like this are great, and a fantastic analysis on the reality of the situation.

The coaches got lazy the last few games. They coach like "they can know what's coming and still can't stop us."

Which is awful because teams are too good now days. If we can get back the scheming to win, rather than just simply thinking we're going to out execute the other team every single week, we will be fine.

We'll learn a lot after tonight.

I always wished we would use play-action more with Romo. There was a slight increase in Linehan's first year as a playcaller. With Dak, it's really taken off.

So I'm not necessarily sure whether it's simply Linehan becoming the OC and putting hod stamp more on the offense or it's because of Dak not being a traditional drop-back passer.

The fact that we have been pretty successful on first down with Zeke, putting us in manageable 3rd down situations that we still have the threat of play-action, because of how teams feel about Zeke has made it easier for Dak.
Last game, in the second half, the Giants were playing well on first. And to couple that off on third, we started playing Dunbar do the threat of play-action feeding off Zeke was not there.

I don't think we have seen enough of Dak, where we can say defenses will respect his arm to the point that they don't stop putting 5 and 6 men on the line in multiple situations. Until then, it's not really a gimme to say he is the future.

The real test is clearly going to be tonight, with Tampa. If they can manage first down effectively, Dak will really have to come though with his arm.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I always wished we would use play-action more with Romo. There was a slight increase in Linehan's first year as a playcaller. With Dak, it's really taken off.

So I'm not necessarily sure whether it's simply Linehan becoming the OC and putting hod stamp more on the offense or it's because of Dak not being a traditional drop-back passer.

The fact that we have been pretty successful on first down with Zeke, putting us in manageable 3rd down situations that we still have the threat of play-action, because of how teams feel about Zeke has made it easier for Dak.
Last game, in the second half, the Giants were playing well on first. And to couple that off on third, we started playing Dunbar do the threat of play-action feeding off Zeke was not there.

I don't think we have seen enough of Dak, where we can say defenses will respect his arm to the point that they don't stop putting 5 and 6 men on the line in multiple situations. Until then, it's not really a gimme to say he is the future.

The real test is clearly going to be tonight, with Tampa. If they can manage first down effectively, Dak will really have to come though with his arm.

I think that perhaps part of the reason for lack of PA with Romo, was I don't think he liked to take his eyes off the field. If it wasn't there, he seemed to struggle to scan the field quickly after turning his back.

In regards to tonight, what I'd like to see even more than the offensive line dominating, is creativity in the playcalling. That shows the the coaches put it on them to get better, and not continue to do the same thing. We will still probably have a ton of go routes, but hopefully we can get some things working underneath with Beasley and Witten. If we're using our go routes to run off coverage and open things up underneath, that's fine. But you can't let a defense take away both.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

With all due respect to our fanbase and erod... I have never seen a fan base so fickle and weak after an 11-2 run and 1 loss.

What the heck is going on? These folks act like we are still 4-12 with Brandon Weeden. Is this real life? Good Lawd!!

Boom!

What I say.12-2. Dak shut up some doubters for one more week at least.

 

[Future]

I think it's absolutely worth comparing.

Target 15+ yards

2016 Prescott
to Bryant
12 of 30 333 yd 2 td 1 int 90.0
to everyone else
19 of 37 495 yd 4 td 0 int 132.9

2011-14 Romo
to Bryant
64 of 145 2,005 yd 17 td 4 int 118.5
to everyone else
109 of 225 3,125 yd 29 td 11 int 113.7

Comparing Romo to Dak here is worthwhile, but comparing Dez to others downfield isn't an apples to apples comparison, so there's nothing to really learn from it, imo.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

This is why this offense works much better without Dez on the field when Dak is our QB. Without Dez was when this offense was at its peak in efficiency. He bogs and slows everything down.

I dont understand this mentality. Only Elliot is a more dangerous player in offense than Dez. This team cant win the super bowl with Butler and TWill starting on the edges

 

[DallasCowboys2080]