Prescott and Bryant, Prescott vs. top defenses

[percyhoward]

And those two facts have absolutely nothing to do with your original post. I could post Beasley's shoe size and that would be as relevant to the point you were trying to make.

The point of the OP was that Prescott, who has had tremendous success this season, has had significantly less success on his targets to Bryant and against the top defenses.

The point of my response to you was that yes, you can compare a #1 WR's targets to everyone else's, and that no, you should not expect the passer rating to be lower on those targets.

 

[DogFace]

I guess I'd like to see Romo vs the same in 2014 to compare.

 

[visionary]

They just haven't really been on the same page.

And I question how concentrated Dez has been lately with his dad just passing away. Might be a little distracted.

It doesn't help that Dak really stares Dez down when he's thinking of going to him, makes coverage easier.

Romo to Dez wasn't magical at first either. Give it some time.

Usually I'm not one for excuses but your father passing away is a huge thing and may be a significant part of the problem

 

[khiladi]

Dallas was also 25 in rushing attempts and 21 in yards per attempt in 2008, meaning no threat of a running game..

One thing for sure is play-action is way more a staple in this offense than it has ever been..

 

[NextGenBoys]

Dak likes to throw what he sees right in front of him. That's Beasley and Witten over the middle. He's not very comfortable down field unless he can roll out of the pocket. Minnesota and New York were making very conscious efforts to keep him in the pocket, while covering the middle of the field.

This is the real reason. It's not that Dez isn't any good. My God I'm sick of that ****.

It's Dak is so protective of the ball, that he's not going to throw anyone open very often, or throw into traffic, which Dez can go get.

They need time to develop chemistry. Dez is a top 5 WR and is a major benefit to this team.

 

[percyhoward]

This is the real reason. It's not that Dez isn't any good. My God I'm sick of that ****.

It's Dak is so protective of the ball, that he's not going to throw anyone open very often, or throw into traffic, which Dez can go get.

I think your take makes a lot more sense than the one you were agreeing with there. Dez probably didn't suddenly forget how to play football, but Dak has had success when targeting other players on the deeper throws.

15+ yard targets
Bryant 12 of 30 333 yd 2 td 1 int 90.0
Williams: 8 of 15 213 yd 2 td 0 int 138.2
Butler 3 of 9 80 yd 1 td 0 int 79.4
Witten 3 of 7 75 yd 1 td 0 int 122.0
Beasley 3 of 4 71 yd 0 td 0 int 116.7

 

[NextGenBoys]

I think your take makes a lot more sense than the one you were agreeing with there. Dez probably didn't suddenly forget how to play football, but Dak has had success when targeting other players on the deeper throws.

15+ yard targets
Bryant 12 of 30 333 yd 2 td 1 int 90.0
Williams: 8 of 15 213 yd 2 td 0 int 138.2
Butler 3 of 9 80 yd 1 td 0 int 79.4
Witten 3 of 7 75 yd 1 td 0 int 122.0
Beasley 3 of 4 71 yd 0 td 0 int 116.7

It also might take into effect the attention that Dez draws. With more attention on him and players locked in every time they line up against him, I think that plays into it too.

Ultimately, they need to develop better chemistry, although prior to the last 2-3 games, he had been on a tear. I'm waiting on him to have a game like he did against Philly in 14 where they played press man and crowded the line and he roasted them for 3 TD's deep.

 

[percyhoward]

It also might take into effect the attention that Dez draws. With more attention on him and players locked in every time they line up against him, I think that plays into it too.

Ultimately, they need to develop better chemistry, although prior to the last 2-3 games, he had been on a tear. I'm waiting on him to have a game like he did against Philly in 14 where they played press man and crowded the line and he roasted them for 3 TD's deep.

The Eagles were trying to play the run, double Dez, and bracket Witten at the same time. When Dez had single coverage, that's where Romo was going.

But back before defenses started worrying about our running game, Dez was getting a lot of attention.

 

[J_Allen]

I'm done with Bryant and I want him off the team.

That will never happen though.

 

[Vintage]

No he didn't. He hit multiple passes that were complete and several more that hit WRs in the hands.

He was clutch when he hit Dez for a critical 3rd down conversion which they got but then Dez fumbled.

If you disect most Romo games you will see he missed a few throws and didn't always throw to the most open receiver. The difference is that the receivers disappointed.

True or False?

Dak played poorly last week.

 

[percyhoward]

Here's a thread from 2012 that shows how Romo was 2nd in the NFL in passer rating on 20+ yard attempts with a 46.1% completion rate and a 116.2 passer rating. Nobody questioned the high rating with the low completion %.

Another thread from this summer showed how Romo had a 116.2 career passer rating on 15+ yard attempts late in close games -- with a 49.0% completion rate. Again, not a peep out of anyone about that rating with that completion percentage.

But somebody points out Prescott's completion rate of 47.0% with a 117.3 rating on 15+ yard targets, and several people agree there's just no way those two numbers can possibly go together, so I must be making stuff up.

Screw that noise.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Teams know Daks not likely to to challenge 1 on 1 matchups on the outside on 1st and 2nd down as Romo would. They are loading the box on 1 and 2 and taking away the zone stretch boot. Dak needs to challenge the 1 on 1s to force them out of it unless he does its going to be 2nd and 3rd n long all night. They will not let Zeke beat them they know Dak can't beat them if they take away the middle of the field. Zeke n the OL as good as they are may put up yrds but cannot win it for us running into 8 man boxes all night Dak has to force them out of it or its all over.

Percy....
"Here's a thread from 2012 that shows how Romo was 2nd in the NFL in passer rating on 20+ yard attempts with a 46.1% completion rate and a 116.2 passer rating. Nobody questioned the high rating with the low completion %.

Another thread from this summer showed how Romo had a 116.2 career passer rating on 15+ yard attempts late in close games -- with a 49.0% completion rate. Again, not a peep out of anyone about that rating with that completion percentage.

But somebody points out Prescott's completion rate of 47.0% with a 117.3 rating on 15+ yard targets, and several people agree there's just no way those two numbers can possibly go together, so I must be making stuff up."


Good points though. We will see if Dak and company can figure out a way to overcome what the defenses are giving them. A counter to the counter. We can't bench Dak right now. Big mistake. Dak wasn't the only issue against the giants. There is a lot of other stuff happening too thats the issue. When Dak starts becoming the main issue like Weeden or Cassell than we can talk about bringing in Romo. Untill then it's Dak all the way.

 

[percyhoward]

Percy....

The success on the targets to the other receivers shows that it's mostly a Prescott-to-Bryant issue, but the post you quoted wasn't about that anyway. It was about how low completion rates and high passer ratings don't necessarily contradict each other.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

The success on the targets to the other receivers shows that it's mostly a Prescott-to-Bryant issue, but the post you quoted wasn't about that anyway. It was about how low completion rates and high passer ratings don't necessarily contradict each other.

Yes I know I was responding to romotil45 and dug ur analysis

 

[percyhoward]

Yes I know I was responding to romotil45 and dug ur analysis

I knew that.

 

[Clove]

This is the real reason. It's not that Dez isn't any good. My God I'm sick of that ****.

It's Dak is so protective of the ball, that he's not going to throw anyone open very often, or throw into traffic, which Dez can go get.

They need time to develop chemistry. Dez is a top 5 WR and is a major benefit to this team.

Don't think he has a problem getting it to Beasley or Witten, even Williams to an extent, Williams is just an inconsistent body catcher.

 

[Alexander]

One other thing that goes unacknowledged.

Just look at the practice time missed by Dez Bryant all season.

Sore here. Back issue. Injured. Whatever.

It is no wonder there is little to no synchronicity between the two of them.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

I knew that.

That I knew.

 

[Alexander]

If Dallas is moving towards being a run team, it might be better to not have a diva WR that directly or indirectly demands the football.

Just a thought.

 

[Zman5]

Romo builds wide receivers. They should build a statue in his honor.

Miles Austin was nothing special at all. Romo made him seem like it.

Patrick Crayton was just a guy. Romo made him a multimillionaire in San Diego.

Laurent Robinson was a journeyman. Romo got him paid like Jerry Rice in Jacksonville.

Terrance Williams had better make sure he plays where Romo plays, or else he'll fall off the NFL map.

And Dez Bryant, who has some freakish abilities, isn't nearly as freakish when he doesn't have Romo throwing pin-point perfect balls in places he can get to. Dez is a poor route runner with limited speed. He prefers to line up in the same spot most every play. He's a one-trick pony, although that is a heckuva trick with the right QB. Dak hasn't yet figured out how to consistently use him.

Dez is catching less than 50% of the balls targeted for him. That is awful.

I love that Romo. Problem is no one knows if that Romo still exist. Not even JG. Romo basically made JG just like Romo made those WR you mentioned.

Don't you think Romo would be the starter if JG was 100% sure himself ? Especially when Jerry is want him some Romo himself.