Prisco: Team-by-Team Overrated/Underrated lists

[theogt]

I think if anything Romo is underrated. All I hear is how much he sucks now and how he struggled down the stretch. But the truth is that even when he "struggled" down the stretch he was still a top 10 QB production-wise.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Well, if anyone is overrated on this team, it is Roy Williams. Sure you can say misused, whatever, but his lack of coverage abilities cost us time after time last year. Hopefully the "scheme" will hide this problem this year with him covering more flat routes, but it is still a major issue.

You want to beat the Cowboys last year?? Throw it over the middle where our safeties were. Sure whatever FS was there sucked, but Roy did too. And he went to the ProBowl. I think that is overrated.

 

[theogt]

During the first 3/4 of the season in '06 I think Roy was having the best season of any player on defense. Saying he sucked means you weren't paying attention.

 

[big dog cowboy]

During the first 3/4 of the season in '06 I think Roy was having the best season of any player on defense.

I'd agree with that.

 

[riggo]

He never takes responsibility for his frick ups.

i wont co sign to the rest of the post, but i will to this part. fans, at least, make alot of excuses for him. it never seems to be his fault, but he seems like a good guy and thats what fans do for team players like him.

as for the skins and randle el being 'nothing more than a good #3', yes. hes a pretty good PR as well. over paid? maybe. (lloyd makes about the same as him as is not nearly as good as of yet). not sure about over rated. he was one of the few bright spots last season for the skins. there are other players on this team you could make a better case for.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

During the first 3/4 of the season in '06 I think Roy was having the best season of any player on defense. Saying he sucked means you weren't paying attention.

once payton demonstrated to the league how to isolate Williams deep in Zimmers coverage scheme it went downhill really fast. The fact that either Zimmer was too inept to call a different coverage or Parcells just wouldnt let him certainly didnt help.

It would drive me nuts that the same coverages would be called after time and time again even after it was shown that Williams and james especially couldnt execute them.

 

[theogt]

once payton demonstrated to the league how to isolate Williams deep in Zimmers coverage scheme it went downhill really fast. The fact that either Zimmer was too inept to call a different coverage or Parcells just wouldnt let him certainly didnt help.

It would drive me nuts that the same coverages would be called after time and time again even after it was shown that Williams and james especially couldnt execute them.

I don't think it was Roy being isolated deep, but something happened to the entire defense in that game. From that point on every player outside of DeMarcus Ware (and this includes Terence) dropped off considerably.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I point the finger of blame to BP and Zimmer. I've seen better coaching in high school than what I saw in our D from the NO game on.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think it was Roy being isolated deep, but something happened to the entire defense in that game. From that point on every player outside of DeMarcus Ware (and this includes Terence) dropped off considerably.

Im not sure i agree with that. carps play improved and watkins went from league worst to below average. Canty finished strong as did ware and newman like you mentioned. Now Henry was hobbled but Ferg seemed pretty steady.

It just seemed that every time we would make a play on defense we would see the opponent exposing James and Williams for a first down.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

During the first 3/4 of the season in '06 I think Roy was having the best season of any player on defense. Saying he sucked means you weren't paying attention.

Thats good. But by name alone, he is supposed to be one of (if not) the best players in the league on defense for the whole, entire season. That he didn't accomplish, not at all.

You are looking at the trees without looking at the forest. When outsiders think of the Cowboys, Roy Williams is the face that was drafted here, seen as a lifetime Cowboy, and Ring of Honor candidate. By those standards, Roy Williams has a name that should be a candidate for Defensive player of the year, every year. Is he??

Umm no. And that is why he is overrated.

 

[DallasEast]

as for the skins and randle el being 'nothing more than a good #3', yes. hes a pretty good PR as well. over paid? maybe...

"Maybe"? There's no maybe about it. Randle El and his agent laughed all the way to the bank.

 

[theogt]

Im not sure i agree with that. carps play improved and watkins went from league worst to below average. Canty finished strong as did ware and newman like you mentioned. Now Henry was hobbled but Ferg seemed pretty steady.

It just seemed that every time we would make a play on defense we would see the opponent exposing James and Williams for a first down.

Carps play improved in the Seattle game. That's it. The rest of the time he was below average. I don't want to get into a debate player for player, but the majority of the team's play dropped off considerably.

But as to the original point, it wasn't because of teams exploiting Roy deep. I can't recall that happening too much at all to be honest. What Payton showed everyone was how slow our LBs were.

Thats good. But by name alone, he is supposed to be one of (if not) the best players in the league on defense for the whole, entire season. That he didn't accomplish, not at all.

You are looking at the trees without looking at the forest. When outsiders think of the Cowboys, Roy Williams is the face that was drafted here and seen as a lifetime Cowboy. By those standards, Roy Williams has a name that should be a candidate for Defensive player of the year, every year. Is he??

Umm no. And that is why he is overrated.

So we have set high standards for him or we have overrated him? There's a difference.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Carps play improved in the Seattle game. That's it. The rest of the time he was below average. I don't want to get into a debate player for player, but the majority of the team's play dropped off considerably.

But as to the original point, it wasn't because of teams exploiting Roy deep. I can't recall that happening too much at all to be honest. What Payton showed everyone was how slow our LBs were.

I think they go hand in hand. It was easy to get first downs and big plays on us last year. Im sure that demoralized the whole defense.

As for Roy getting beat deep. What do you think is getting him the reputation as not being able to cover deep?

You didnt think Carps play improved with the two games before that?

 

[theogt]

As for Roy getting beat deep. What do you think is getting him the reputation as not being able to cover deep?

An idiotic meme started and perpetuated by ignorant fans and media.

You didnt think Carps play improved with the two games before that?

No.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

An idiotic meme started and perpetuated by ignorant fans and media.

No.

Well i remember our safeties screwing up a lot of deep coverages last season. Now there was a lot of blame that should have been on our MLB given the scheme that we ran that was attributed to Williams but i also remember our safeties misplaying a lot of deep balls to the WR as well.

And i remember Carp playing well at the end of the regular season as well but whatever.

 

[burmafrd]

Carp got better as he got more playing time and learned the D. That showed late in the season and ESPECIALLY the playoff game.

 

[theogt]

Well i remember our safeties screwing up a lot of deep coverages last season. Now there was a lot of blame that should have been on our MLB given the scheme that we ran that was attributed to Williams but i also remember our safeties misplaying a lot of deep balls to the WR as well.

You probably remember Watkins and Davis misplaying a lot of deep balls.

And i remember Carp playing well at the end of the regular season as well but whatever.

I guess if you consider no pass-rush and being average against the run "playing well" then yeah.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You probably remember Watkins and Davis misplaying a lot of deep balls.

I guess if you consider no pass-rush and being average against the run "playing well" then yeah.

no i remember roy too. not nearly as often but i do remember.

its too bad that they dont publish QB pressures because i saw him get mileage out his swim move. weve had this debate before and there is no point in having it again.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

So we have set high standards for him or we have overrated him? There's a difference.

Yeah, but I think it has everything to do with him being overrated. Sure we can ride the potential of Romo and such, and TO has issues that will prevent this, but Roy is the one true guy on this team that could be a Hall of Famer.

Last season, we didn't have a single Hall of Famer on the field, except maybe TO who has the stats but won't get in for other reasons, lol. Ware has the potential, but really, it is Roy.

Try to win a SuperBowl without a Hall of Fame candidate on the team. Well, that is what we are trying to do, unless Roy steps up his game. I understand what you are saying, but high standards and overrated go hand and hand with me, those expectations and high standards are what can make you overrated.

 

[Alexander]

once payton demonstrated to the league how to isolate Williams deep in Zimmers coverage scheme it went downhill really fast.

He also drew a very damaging pass interference call in the second Commanders game. It was just that teams were learning that particular flaw in our defense. Payton simply pulled the string that unraveled the whole thing after others kept tugging at it.