Pro-Cupcakers Speak Up!
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cowboys2233
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jday;2544701 said:
The problem with point #1 is that he created a scheme with a team that went 13-3 in his first year. He essentially took the same team, same players and crashed and burned this year. I know what you're saying about continuity, but in this specific case I think the point can be made that this was not a minor speed bump on the path to ultimate glory, but a yawning crevasse from which there can be no escape.
I tend to agree with point #2 -- I'm sure there ARE coaches out there, but finding them is extremely difficult to do. Especially with today's player - they will only listen to someone who has built his rep up, like a Parcells. And there are choice few Parcells out there to be had.
I totally agree with point #3. Everyone else being discussed is just a symptom of the real problem, Jerry Jones. I was on board with this guy until he went completely berserk and actually brought Roy "The Flake" Williams aboard, inexplicably gave Owens a three-year contract extension, and signed total losers like Hamlin to be the cornerstones of this defense.
We are up **** creek.
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Reasons to keep Wade:
1. I don't believe this is all his fault. The players have to execute, and many of them seem too dumb to do that or won't play hard.
2. He is a very good defensive coach who knows the 3-4.
3. He allows Jerry to keep his plan of bringing along Garrett.
Reasons to fire Wade:
1. The inmates are running the asylum. Whether these players like it or not, they seem to need a taskmaster because they can't discipline themselves.
2. The players don't seem to fear or respect him. In fact, they quit on him. Maybe the players are just quitters, but that does reflect on the coaching.
3. This Jason Garrett plan doesn't look great right now since he's having all kinds of problems taking care of his side of the ball.
1. I don't believe this is all his fault. The players have to execute, and many of them seem too dumb to do that or won't play hard.
2. He is a very good defensive coach who knows the 3-4.
3. He allows Jerry to keep his plan of bringing along Garrett.
Reasons to fire Wade:
1. The inmates are running the asylum. Whether these players like it or not, they seem to need a taskmaster because they can't discipline themselves.
2. The players don't seem to fear or respect him. In fact, they quit on him. Maybe the players are just quitters, but that does reflect on the coaching.
3. This Jason Garrett plan doesn't look great right now since he's having all kinds of problems taking care of his side of the ball.
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I can play devil's advocate.
I'm not in Phillips camp, not really. I think his laid back attitude is perfectly suited to the "inmates running the asylum" feeling around Valley Ranch.
However, there's a lot to be said for what Jerry Jones has decided. Judging by his past, he has tried to give his coaches a chance but when the going has got tough after a year or two of failing to achieve success he has gone with public sentiment, canned the coach and looked for someone new.
I think he now realizes that sometimes you have to accept there will be dissapointments along the way and that the way forward in this situation might be to let the coach assess what is going wrong and give him the chance to fix it.
Personally I don't think Wade is going to get it done, but I admire Jerry Jones' willingness to admit that maybe the way he has done things in the past has hurt the team and I admire his stubbornness in not giving in to what the media and the fans are demanding, instead trying something different by giving Wade more time.
I'm not in Phillips camp, not really. I think his laid back attitude is perfectly suited to the "inmates running the asylum" feeling around Valley Ranch.
However, there's a lot to be said for what Jerry Jones has decided. Judging by his past, he has tried to give his coaches a chance but when the going has got tough after a year or two of failing to achieve success he has gone with public sentiment, canned the coach and looked for someone new.
I think he now realizes that sometimes you have to accept there will be dissapointments along the way and that the way forward in this situation might be to let the coach assess what is going wrong and give him the chance to fix it.
Personally I don't think Wade is going to get it done, but I admire Jerry Jones' willingness to admit that maybe the way he has done things in the past has hurt the team and I admire his stubbornness in not giving in to what the media and the fans are demanding, instead trying something different by giving Wade more time.
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Jones is probably also itching to say to everyone "see I was right!" But it's gonna take a while to get to that point, if ever.
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TX_Yid;2545278 said:
I'm pretty sure that if you trace back to the origins of this term on this board today, you'll find my name attached to it. But imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so thank you for that fellas. God bless us, everyone.
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TX_Yid;2545276 said:
It is not admirable because he admits wrongdoings. Because actions speak louder than words. He once admitted that giving up say, a couple of high draft choices for an overrated WR was a bad move on his part.
And then he turns around and in an act of desperation, does the very same thing this year.
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I'm 100% behind keeping Wade for another season. I think any head coach in the NFL deserves more than two seasons to get the job done.
season 1....13-3 with a playoff loss (a close one) to the eventual SB champion. If that loss had occurred in the NFC championship game, everyone would remember it as a great season. Losing to the eventual SB champions in round 1 looks worse when it happens than 3 weeks later when that team wins the super bowl.
season 2....fast start...injuries injuries injuries....defense improved and provided lots of hope for the future regarding pressuring QB's, but the offense really fell apart.
season 3....I think, barring injuries to our key players, will be a great year with playoff success.
I see no reason to start over with a new coach at this point. People want to say Wade has had no success, but his first season was very successful, and while we lost in the first round to the Giants...it was a very close game that went down to the wire, and we didn't lose to just any wild card team...that team went on to defeat everyone, including the perfect 18-0 Patriots.
This season was a disaster, but I think he deserves the chance to make up for it.
season 1....13-3 with a playoff loss (a close one) to the eventual SB champion. If that loss had occurred in the NFC championship game, everyone would remember it as a great season. Losing to the eventual SB champions in round 1 looks worse when it happens than 3 weeks later when that team wins the super bowl.
season 2....fast start...injuries injuries injuries....defense improved and provided lots of hope for the future regarding pressuring QB's, but the offense really fell apart.
season 3....I think, barring injuries to our key players, will be a great year with playoff success.
I see no reason to start over with a new coach at this point. People want to say Wade has had no success, but his first season was very successful, and while we lost in the first round to the Giants...it was a very close game that went down to the wire, and we didn't lose to just any wild card team...that team went on to defeat everyone, including the perfect 18-0 Patriots.
This season was a disaster, but I think he deserves the chance to make up for it.
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he improved the defense despite all the flaws/injuries in the secondary. that's why.
if he hadn't, this team would've been a disaster. wade saved the season.
it's not his fault, this team never added depth to the oline. that falls on jerry and parcells. it's up to JJ to give romo protection and a running game next year.
wade wanted solari, jerry wanted houck.
wade is not the problem. GM Jerry is. unless Jerry changes it won't matter who's coaching.
this team needs to get out of the limelight and just worry about playing football.
if he hadn't, this team would've been a disaster. wade saved the season.
it's not his fault, this team never added depth to the oline. that falls on jerry and parcells. it's up to JJ to give romo protection and a running game next year.
wade wanted solari, jerry wanted houck.
wade is not the problem. GM Jerry is. unless Jerry changes it won't matter who's coaching.
this team needs to get out of the limelight and just worry about playing football.
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wayne motley;2545401 said:
I hope...I can certainly understand the logic though.
My biggest concern, without question, is how these players ended up responding to Wade. While he talked about family and letting the players act like men, the players responded by acting like children. I don't know if that gets better? I hope.
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I support keeping Wade. Few seem to care, but our defense is dramatically better than it was two years ago, in terms of applying pressure on the quarterback and general soundness. They still give up the occasional big play, but at least they can cover simple screens and passes to the running back in the flat.
And I think that Garrett can bring the offense back around. I've seen it, a year ago. And it was performing well early this year, before Romo's injury. After he came back, the offense never got in sync, but the potential is there on both sides of the ball.
And what are the alternatives? Have they never had an off year? Wade going 9-7 is a disaster, but Shanahan is a huge upgrade after going 8-8? Even Cowher was 8-8 in his last year.
Just two years ago, Wade was the preiminent defensive mind out there. Now, two years and 22 wins later, he's a moron. I just don't think we should overract to a bad year when we have a quality coach who has shown over a fairly long period of time that he is a good coach. After overreacting to two mediocre years by Gailey, we wound up with Campo. Don't make the same mistake again.
And I think that Garrett can bring the offense back around. I've seen it, a year ago. And it was performing well early this year, before Romo's injury. After he came back, the offense never got in sync, but the potential is there on both sides of the ball.
And what are the alternatives? Have they never had an off year? Wade going 9-7 is a disaster, but Shanahan is a huge upgrade after going 8-8? Even Cowher was 8-8 in his last year.
Just two years ago, Wade was the preiminent defensive mind out there. Now, two years and 22 wins later, he's a moron. I just don't think we should overract to a bad year when we have a quality coach who has shown over a fairly long period of time that he is a good coach. After overreacting to two mediocre years by Gailey, we wound up with Campo. Don't make the same mistake again.