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POSTED 5:04 p.m. EDT, April 23, 2006
BUSH FAMILY WAS THE BENEFICIARY OF INDIAN GIVER
Kudos to Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports for being the first to report that USC tailback Reggie Bush is the previously unnamed first-round prospect whose family had been living (free of charge, apparently) in a house paid for by a budding agent from an Indian tribe.

Robinson reports that Bush's family abruptly packed up and moved out of the San Diego home within 24 hours after Yahoo! Sports started asking Bush's mother, Denise Griffin, questions about information linking the house to Michael Michaels, who allegedly has a role in steering Bush toward an agent.

Per Robinson, Michaels is a member of the Sycuan Indian Tribe and a business development officer for the tribe's development corporation. He failed to return multiple calls from Robinson, and claimed to be unavailable when Robinson dropped by his home on three occasions this weekend.

The Sycuan tribe denied any knowledge of Michaels' relationship with the Bush family. The tribe owns a casino and a resort.
Robinson reports that Michaels bought the house in which Bush's family had been living for $757,000 in March 2005. Neighbors told Yahoo! Sports that the Griffins (Bush's stepfather, mother, and brother -- not Peter, Meg, Stewie, etc.) moved in at about that same time. Michaels is the only person listed on the deed, even though an inscription on one of the cement slabs reads "The Griffins '05."

Michaels and an associate named Lloyd Lake reportedly contacted San Diego-based agent David Caravantes regarding the possibility of recruiting Bush. Michaels was looking for an NFLPA-certified agent to handle the football contracts of players that Michaels intended to sign to his marketing firm, which Michaels reportedly planned to launch under the name of "New Era Sports and Entertainment."

Robinson found a potential web site for New Era Sports. Our tech guy Sean has determined via his own Internet sleuthing techniques that the domain was created on November 2, 2005, and that the administrative contact is James Choe of New Era Sports & Entertainment, located at 550 Park Blvd, #27, San Diego, (619) 708-8399. Sean also found a ************ profile of a kid from Nebraska who claims that he'll be working for "New Era Sports & Entertainment" in La Jolla, California in May 2006, another myspace profile of a guy who claims to be the "Director of Recruitment" for "New Era Sports Marketing & Entertainment" in San Diego, and the cache of a third myspace profile of a guy known as "Haterproof Homey," who lists "New Era Sports & Entertainment" as one of his "companies."

Finally, Sean found reference to "New Era Sports & Entertainment" as the agency for South Carolina offensive lineman Jabari Levey.
The contact agent? David Caravantes.

Bottom line -- Robinson's report seems to be right on the money.
So what does all of this mean? Not much for Bush. He'll still be drafted where he otherwise would have been drafted. And he'll still likely earn as much money via endorsements as he otherwise would have earned -- unless, of course, the free lodging for his family is merely the tip of a bigger iceberg that expands into a major national story.

Regardless of how it might affect Bush, this whole thing could get very interesting for the folks at Southern Cal. Since the Griffins apparently were living in the house during the 2005 season, the NCAA could eventually rule that Bush was ineligible -- and likewise could require the Trojans to forfeit all of their 2005 victories. Though we doubt for now that such an extreme outcome will result, Robinson reports that USC has referred the matter to the Pac-10 for an investigation.

Our own take on the whole thing is that it was stupid and/or arrogant for the Griffins to think that they could squat in the house bought by Michaels without giving anything to Michaels in return, and without the matter ever coming to light. We've heard that, for the past two months or so, Michaels had been trying to get his money back for the house and/or threatening to take the whole thing public. So why didn't the Griffins get the hell out of the house long before someone showed up and started asking questions?
More importantly, why did they accept free lodging from Michaels in the first place? Did they have no appreciation of the problems it could cause for Bush and the Trojans?

And why wouldn't USC be keeping closer watch on the activities of the family members of the players most likely to be targets for benefits from agents and marketing companies?
Stay tuned for more on this one.
 

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They had hinted about this 8 days ago. Sometimes they are really good.

POSTED 9:24 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:16 p.m. EDT, April 15, 2006

INDIAN RESERVATION LOOKING TO SCALP A FIRST-ROUNDER?

There's a rumor running rampant through agent circles regarding a first-round prospect in the NFL draft who is getting the screws put to him by, of all things, an Indian reservation.

We've heard from multiple agents that an Indian reservation hoping to start a sports agency bought the prospect's parents a house and began to make payments on it. Once the prospect signed with a different agent, the Indians stopped making payments -- and are now threatening to go public.

We've also heard that said prospect has hired a lawyer to deal with the situation.

For now, the player will remain nameless in this space, since we don't know whether it's a wild rumor or whether it's true. We'll leave it to the real journalists out there to run with this one. You know, the guys with real resources and real legal departments and real insurance policies to cover real lawsuits.

Although the folks who made the improper payments would face no NFLPA-imposed discipline since they weren't licensed agents, there could be criminal liability under applicable state law. But the ability to exact revenge on the prospect by disclosing the payments in the days leading up to the draft might justify any consequences the Indians could face.

For the prospect in question, the news -- if true -- is highly unlikely to affect his draft stock. But it could possibly diminish his marketability in off-field pursuits, especially if the payments from the Indian reservation spark a broader inquiry that yields evidence of more extensive payments to the player.

We likely won't say anything more about this one, publicly or privately, until someone else reports on it. And if we learn that the rumor is unfounded, we'll post that information here, too.
 

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At this point it wont keep him out of the league so it doesnt matter too much.

May screw USC somewhat. Oh well.
 

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Much ado about nothing?

I suggest you go back to the 'scandal' at Alabama in '93, then tell me this is nothing.

If Bush is found to be guilty of taking things from this sports company, all of USC's records will be voided from the last 3 years.
 

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just more proof that college athletics needs an enema.
Every major program is dirty. Sometimes its just the boosters, sometimes its third parties, sometimes its the players taking full advantage...
A free six-figure education isn't enough anymore. Makes me vomit.
and then people have the odacity to demand that college athletes get paid?!?! It's quite out of control. The Booster clubs need clamped down on.
On one hand, you've got a bunch of spoiled, take everything for granted primadonnas, on the other you've got a bunch of has or never-was-beens with too much money that want their program to win even if they have to pay thousands in cash to dangle in front of players to get them there. You've also got others who are just looking to take advantage of the players through agents and what-not.
I remember my school losing a big name recruit who wanted to come to my school ONLY because another college was willing to pay him a large sum of cash.
Something needs to change, people, not just players, are corrupting great (once pure) college athletics. Its purity was what made it so enjoyable to watch. I'm appalled with its current state.
 

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ghst187 said:
just more proof that college athletics needs an enema.
Every major program is dirty. Sometimes its just the boosters, sometimes its third parties, sometimes its the players taking full advantage...
A free six-figure education isn't enough anymore. Makes me vomit.
and then people have the odacity to demand that college athletes get paid?!?! It's quite out of control. The Booster clubs need clamped down on.
On one hand, you've got a bunch of spoiled, take everything for granted primadonnas, on the other you've got a bunch of has or never-was-beens with too much money that want their program to win even if they have to pay thousands in cash to dangle in front of players to get them there. You've also got others who are just looking to take advantage of the players through agents and what-not.
I remember my school losing a big name recruit who wanted to come to my school ONLY because another college was willing to pay him a large sum of cash.
Something needs to change, people, not just players, are corrupting great (once pure) college athletics. Its purity was what made it so enjoyable to watch. I'm appalled with its current state.
One question
How? The NCAA has a rule book a mile long and does everything it can to enforce it short of hiring former KGB agents to police every school.
 

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BigWillie said:
Much ado about nothing?

I suggest you go back to the 'scandal' at Alabama in '93, then tell me this is nothing.

If Bush is found to be guilty of taking things from this sports company, all of USC's records will be voided from the last 3 years.
Actually the allegations only go back for the last year, when the Bush family received the house. The only thing USC has done since then is win their conference. Big deal. The Heisman isn't subject to NCAA rules, so they won't have to take that away from him. They may choose to though. I doubt it.
 

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Natedawg44 said:
One question
How? The NCAA has a rule book a mile long and does everything it can to enforce it short of hiring former KGB agents to police every school.

I didn't say I had all the answers, i just said its tainting the game and corrupting some players....
 

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Just curious I was ready to elect you president above Miles Brand if you figured that one out.
 

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theogt said:
Actually the allegations only go back for the last year, when the Bush family received the house. The only thing USC has done since then is win their conference. Big deal. The Heisman isn't subject to NCAA rules, so they won't have to take that away from him. They may choose to though. I doubt it.

Wrong on that.

If these allegations are true, Bush would be found ineligible by the NCAA for the past season. If he was ineligible, he isn't able to obtain any awards he won. It's like me claiming to be President of the country, even though I wasn't on the ballot.
 

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Natedawg44 said:
Just curious I was ready to elect you president above Miles Brand if you figured that one out.

I think the booster clubs and third parties are the sources of the most evil...need the conferences to police it up better.

Honestly, I don't think it'd be all that hard to enforce stuff and look into things a little more. Just take the conferences setting up some small offices with some accounting students. Half of these kids are coming from nothing and then as a freshman they're driving customized SUVs and their parents have new stuff cars and houses too. For most of the guys its pretty obvious if you know anything about a player's situation prior to signing.
In fact, you probably would only need to start looking at the big name players first, the trickle down fear would be enough to stymie a lot.

The third party stuff is probably the hardest, not in hard to track but hard as in there would have to be some additional rules written. Some of those guys are like buzzards looking for fresh roadkill...i.e. some athlete to exploit and make some money off of.
 

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While it's easy to dismiss this as being nothing, it could be more than "much ado about nothing".

As the #1 pick Bush will be THE player in the spotlight for the NFL. That means intense media attention and scrutiny. If the story continues to develop and it comes to light he was taking illegal inducements during his college career the media will go on a fedding frenzy and that would be a serious distraction as he begins his pro career. A team paying millions of dollars for the #1 pick wants a squeaky clean image and no off-the-field distractions. His entire family taking illegal inducements raises serious questions of character and possibly criminal conduct, (i.e. IRS).

It may not effect his play on the field, but you can bet it's not the kind of attention and media focus Bob McNair is looking for one week before the draft as he tries to turn his horrible franchise around.
 

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BigWillie said:
Wrong on that.

If these allegations are true, Bush would be found ineligible by the NCAA for the past season. If he was ineligible, he isn't able to obtain any awards he won. It's like me claiming to be President of the country, even though I wasn't on the ballot.
Could you find the Heisman rule that states this? The Heisman is not an NCAA award. As I said, they may choose to withdraw his award, but they are not required to do so by the NCAA.

Disclaimer: This is at least what I've read about the issue. I couldn't care less about it either way. I am neither a Bush nor USC fan. I'm just pointing out the "legal" ramifications.
 

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With or without the Heisman at this point his draft status would remain in the top 5. He is simply a freak of an athlete.
 

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Reggie Bush's family has been implicated for allegedly living in a house paid for by a prospective agent.

Yahoo Sports' Charles Robinson reports that Bush's stepfather, mother, and brother lived in a house near San Diego for the last year until moving out this weekend after facing Robinson's questions. It gets better: The house was reportedly bought by an upstart agency funded a business development officer for an Indian tribe that owns a casino and resort. Bush signed for representation elsewhere, and Profootballtalk.com reports the agent who paid for the house has been trying to get his money back before taking anything public. The implications for USC could be significant, although it's hard to imagine the story affecting Bush's draft status.

Apr. 23 - 6:32 pm et
Source: Yahoo Sports
 

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theogt said:
Could you find the Heisman rule that states this? The Heisman is not an NCAA award. As I said, they may choose to withdraw his award, but they are not required to do so by the NCAA.

Disclaimer: This is at least what I've read about the issue. I couldn't care less about it either way. I am neither a Bush nor USC fan. I'm just pointing out the "legal" ramifications.

Think about what you are saying. If a player is enligible, that means his athletic scholarship is null and void, meaning he isn't even apart of the college or any university. The Heisman Trophy isn't awarded to any Joe Schmo off the street.

Explain to me how you are understanding that a non-college athlete can win a collegiate award?
 
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