Projected 2014 starters: Dallas Cowboys

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Leary was looking to pick up the DE but Smith had him up in the air. Smith should have let him go and picked up the DT. I guess it's technically a half a sack allowed on each player but it was on Smith. That's why I didn't mark it against Leary.

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. I assume you're referring to:

I was impressed because I was expecting a "clinic" on Leary but he only gave up a hit and a hurry in the first half.

Like I said earlier, I don't have access to the all 22 so I can't watch every game and count but according to PFF Leary gave up 3 QB hits and 27 pressures during the 2013 season. That averages out to be about 1.7 hurries a game. Not bad for his first year.

Fairley appeared to get injured at about the 8:30 mark in the 3rd quarter. He came back in with 3:12 left in the 3rd and played the rest of the game. He only missed about 4 plays not an entire half.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/22/2014-depth-chart-dallas-cowboys/

PFF ranks him as a below average starter. You brought them up. Guards shouldn't be letting their QBs get hit multiple times a game. Different standards then me or even pff I guess.

Those two hits were in the first two series and then they started sliding protection over to help. I commented on it before. Even then he still gave up pressure. For a former left tackle he is decidedly poor in pass protection.

 

[itsaboat]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/22/2014-depth-chart-dallas-cowboys/

PFF ranks him as a below average starter. You brought them up. Guards shouldn't be letting their QBs get hit multiple times a game. Different standards then me or even pff I guess.

Those two hits were in the first two series and then they started sliding protection over to help. I commented on it before. Even then he still gave up pressure. For a former left tackle he is decidedly poor in pass protection.

Leary gave up 3 hits the entire season so the DET game was his worst performance in that regard. I agree, he was poor in pass protection in that game but when I see someone use the "clinic" reference I would expect a much worse outing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Leary gave up 3 hits the entire season so the DET game was his worst performance in that regard. I agree, he was poor in pass protection in that game but when I see someone use the "clinic" reference I would expect a much worse outing.

You keep repeating this line and I will continue to repeat that you have what I view as low standards regarding the position.

I get bored of going around in circles personally.

So what do you make of pff rating him as a below average starter? 30 pressures+hits is very bad for a guard. To give you an idea on how bad go and look up DT pass rushing stats or pass rushing stats in general.

I will say personally I do not find a lot of merit in pff even if they do agree with me. I attribute sacks to him but they do see him as poor in pass protection as giving up a lot of pressures+hits. It's hard to miss when you watch him play.

Our tackles are good pass protectors. Our interior line including Fred and Bernie stank in pass protection.

 

[sureletsrace]

Man you guys sure do like to argue.

 

[Bay10]

Good God, our Dline is going to be bad this year.

I believe it will be better than last year. However, that's not saying much.

 

[Risen Star]

This guy should have done his homework. Street is not a special teamer. He slides right in as the one depth player the Cowboys have outside in case of injury.

Now how good he'll be, I don't know. But he wasn't drafted to make a living on special teams while he develops as a receiver.

 

[itsaboat]

You keep repeating this line and I will continue to repeat that you have what I view as low standards regarding the position.

I get bored of going around in circles personally.

So what do you make of pff rating him as a below average starter? 30 pressures+hits is very bad for a guard. To give you an idea on how bad go and look up DT pass rushing stats or pass rushing stats in general.

I will say personally I do not find a lot of merit in pff even if they do agree with me. I attribute sacks to him but they do see him as poor in pass protection as giving up a lot of pressures+hits. It's hard to miss when you watch him play.

Our tackles are good pass protectors. Our interior line including Fred and Bernie stank in pass protection.

I keep repeating it because that was the point of my post. IMO you over exaggerated Leary's performance during the Lions game. I watched it, pointed out his bad plays and IMO he did not have such a terrible game as you claimed. Though, I believe it was his worst of the season. It's understandable since he was matched up against Fairley most of the game.

Considering he is a UDFA and it was his first season after coming off surgery during the preseason I think he was better than expected. I looked up Pro Bowler Kyle Long's rookie performance to compare. Long (1070 snaps) allowed 9 QB hits and 21 hurries. Leary (1018 snaps) allowed 3 QB hits and 27 hurries. I think Leary can/will improve and should show it this season.

I do agree that Frederick needs to improve his pass pro game. He was beaten 1-on-1 when the DT lined up at the 0 technique far too often. I believe he has worked on his game and will continue to improve.

 

[OhSnap]

Man you guys sure do like to argue.

You got somethin to say about it?

 

[OhSnap]

I believe it will be better than last year. However, that's not saying much.

In 2005 the Cowboys drafted D.Ware who was rated #2 OLB then 2 years later took Anthony Spencer who was rated # 5 DE in the draft. NFL draftscout.com

In 2012 the Cowboys drafted Tyrone Crawford rated # 8 DE then 2 years later took D.Lawrence who was rated #3 DE in the draft.

If NFL draftscout is as accurate about the last 2 as the first 2 it's probably not as bleak as it seems.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I keep repeating it because that was the point of my post. IMO you over exaggerated Leary's performance during the Lions game. I watched it, pointed out his bad plays and IMO he did not have such a terrible game as you claimed. Though, I believe it was his worst of the season. It's understandable since he was matched up against Fairley most of the game.

Considering he is a UDFA and it was his first season after coming off surgery during the preseason I think he was better than expected. I looked up Pro Bowler Kyle Long's rookie performance to compare. Long (1070 snaps) allowed 9 QB hits and 21 hurries. Leary (1018 snaps) allowed 3 QB hits and 27 hurries. I think Leary can/will improve and should show it this season.

I do agree that Frederick needs to improve his pass pro game. He was beaten 1-on-1 when the DT lined up at the 0 technique far too often. I believe he has worked on his game and will continue to improve.

I say that it was terrible because 3 pressures+sacks in one game is terrible. I don't bow to your interpretation of what happened. I am just saying that even your assessment of the Detroit game was awful in and of itself.

My standard is that he should be giving up no more than one of those every game. OL is a position where even a very high success rate of 80% is not good enough. I look to the performances of good guards like Evans of the Saints who give up single digit pressures and I want that. Even a marked improvement in a 33% reduction only brings Leary to acceptable or in other words average.

You haven't even tried discussing his lack in the run game. He does not execute combination blocks worth a flip either and show poor feet..

Your way is accepting of poor play. It is what it is and Kyle Long sucks too. I thought he was an ill prepared project having had minimal playing time out in Oregon anyway.

30 QB hurries and hits would have been amongst the worst in their metrics. Year to year they view 20 as the so called Mendoza line. We at least know that the rookie was terrible too.

 

[xwalker]

I keep repeating it because that was the point of my post. IMO you over exaggerated Leary's performance during the Lions game. I watched it, pointed out his bad plays and IMO he did not have such a terrible game as you claimed. Though, I believe it was his worst of the season. It's understandable since he was matched up against Fairley most of the game.

Considering he is a UDFA and it was his first season after coming off surgery during the preseason I think he was better than expected. I looked up Pro Bowler Kyle Long's rookie performance to compare. Long (1070 snaps) allowed 9 QB hits and 21 hurries. Leary (1018 snaps) allowed 3 QB hits and 27 hurries. I think Leary can/will improve and should show it this season.

I do agree that Frederick needs to improve his pass pro game. He was beaten 1-on-1 when the DT lined up at the 0 technique far too often. I believe he has worked on his game and will continue to improve.

I say that it was terrible because 3 pressures+sacks in one game is terrible. I don't bow to your interpretation of what happened. I am just saying that even your assessment of the Detroit game was awful in and of itself.

My standard is that he should be giving up no more than one of those every game. OL is a position where even a very high success rate of 80% is not good enough. I look to the performances of good guards like Evans of the Saints who give up single digit pressures and I want that. Even a marked improvement in a 33% reduction only brings Leary to acceptable or in other words average.

You haven't even tried discussing his lack in the run game. He does not execute combination blocks worth a flip either and show poor feet..

Your way is accepting of poor play. It is what it is and Kyle Long sucks too. I thought he was an ill prepared project having had minimal playing time out in Oregon anyway.

30 QB hurries and hits would have been amongst the worst in their metrics. Year to year they view 20 as the so called Mendoza line. We at least know that the rookie was terrible too.

I just finished watching Leary in the Lions game.

I don't count it against the OLineman if the QB is pressured or hit at 4 seconds or later. The QB should be getting rid of the ball at 3 seconds. Leary might have had 1 play where the defender go to Romo before 4 seconds.

Overall, Leary did not have a terrible game.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just finished watching Leary in the Lions game.

I don't count it against the OLineman if the QB is pressured or hit at 4 seconds or later. The QB should be getting rid of the ball at 3 seconds. Leary might have had 1 play where the defender go to Romo before 4 seconds.

Overall, Leary did not have a terrible game.

I think you are incapable of finding fault in the apple of your eye. I figured that when you started making up stories about what the LB was going to do and dismissing what the LB actually did with that Bears play.

So do you not see what I was talking about regarding his brainfart in the Oakland game and how it was the same thing he did against the Bears?

 

[itsaboat]

I say that it was terrible because 3 pressures+sacks in one game is terrible. I don't bow to your interpretation of what happened. I am just saying that even your assessment of the Detroit game was awful in and of itself.

My standard is that he should be giving up no more than one of those every game. OL is a position where even a very high success rate of 80% is not good enough. I look to the performances of good guards like Evans of the Saints who give up single digit pressures and I want that. Even a marked improvement in a 33% reduction only brings Leary to acceptable or in other words average.

You haven't even tried discussing his lack in the run game. He does not execute combination blocks worth a flip either and show poor feet..

Your way is accepting of poor play. It is what it is and Kyle Long sucks too. I thought he was an ill prepared project having had minimal playing time out in Oregon anyway.

30 QB hurries and hits would have been amongst the worst in their metrics. Year to year they view 20 as the so called Mendoza line. We at least know that the rookie was terrible too.

You don't agree with the 2 qb hits and 1 pressure? That's what Leary gave up during the game.

Valid point. I looked at his game log and PFF charged Leary with 0 or 1 hurry in 8 games, 2 in 5 games, and 3+ in 3 games.

Leary had moments in the run game where he couldn't hold onto his block but he also showed good enough feet while pulling and was able to get to the 2nd level to find then block a defender.

Leary shows the ability to be a solid interior player. He needs to work on consistency because he plays well for stretches then has a lapse and gives up a play to the defense.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You don't agree with the 2 qb hits and 1 pressure? That's what Leary gave up during the game.

Valid point. I looked at his game log and PFF charged Leary with 0 or 1 hurry in 8 games, 2 in 5 games, and 3+ in 3 games.

Leary had moments in the run game where he couldn't hold onto his block but he also showed good enough feet while pulling and was able to get to the 2nd level to find then block a defender.

Leary shows the ability to be a solid interior player. He needs to work on consistency because he plays well for stretches then has a lapse and gives up a play to the defense.

He has his moments. He was still bad overall as compared to other players in the league. If he does not improve significantly then he need not see the field.

That you do not address those 30 sacks + hits and how it stacks up against the league is telling.

 

[xwalker]

I think you are incapable of finding fault in the apple of your eye. I figured that when you started making up stories about what the LB was going to do and dismissing what the LB actually did with that Bears play.

So do you not see what I was talking about regarding his brainfart in the Oakland game and how it was the same thing he did against the Bears?

Let's discuss one play at a time from the Lions game. Pick one.

 

[coogrfan]

• 

• By Chris Wesseling

• Around the League Writer

• Published: May 15, 2014 at 12:53 p.m

» First-round draft pick Zack Martin is penciled in at right guard, which gives the Cowboys the potential to boast one of the NFL's strongest offensive lines. ... Second-round pick Demarcus Lawrence will likely play in a defensive end rotation with George Selvie, Jeremy Mincey and Anthony Spencer. Although the latter was recently re-signed, his surgically repaired knee is not expected to be 100 percent by training camp. ... The other members of Dallas' draft class will have to battle for special teams duties if they earn roster spots.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000350255/article/dallas-cowboys-projected-2014-depth-chart

So our haul from one of the deepest drafts in recent memory was one starter, one rotation guy, and a bunch of special teamers?

Bravo, gentlemen. Bravo.

 

[itsaboat]

He has his moments. He was still bad overall as compared to other players in the league. If he does not improve significantly then he need not see the field.

That you do not address those 30 sacks + hits and how it stacks up against the league is telling.

He's a UDFA that just played his first season in the NFL. Not many will come up favorably when you compare them to the rest of the league. I think he has gained valuable experience and will improve this season because of it.

The 30 hits/pressures puts him about the middle of the pack of all the guards in the nfl. IMO, what matters is how he performs this season, then go from there.

 

[Idgit]

So our haul from one of the deepest drafts in recent memory was one starter, one rotation guy, and a bunch of special teamers?

Bravo, gentlemen. Bravo.

If Chris Wesseling says it, it's written in stone as far as I'm concerned, so, yeah.

Who's Chris Wesseling?

 

[jobberone]

Leary,

If Chris Wesseling says it, it's written in stone as far as I'm concerned, so, yeah.

Who's Chris Wesseling?

The guy in the phone book right after Chris Wesselin.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Let's discuss one play at a time from the Lions game. Pick one.

I would rather finish talking about the Oakland and Bears play and how it is Leary making the exact same mistake although you attribute him no culpability when its the Bears.

I already know what you are going to say about the Lions. You don't care that he fails to establish a pocket and block. He slowed him down enough for your taste. Your stop watch went off in time.