Props to Will McClay and Stephen

[Doomsday101]

Yes, Jerry is one of the ultimate examples of the captain only being as good as his crew. His success as a GM has always depended on making the right hires: Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells are good examples of that.

Where he deserves blame as a GM is the years when he failed to hire those kind of guys. He is responsible for Lacewell, for Campo being coach, etc. When he gets his front office right, then Jerry is good GM because he can get the owner to do whatever the rest of the staff tells him is needed.

Yes and no on Lacewell. Since Lacewell was brought in by Jimmy Johnson

DAVIE — The first real college coaching job for Miami Dolphins coach Jimmy Johnson came with Larry Lacewell's help. He needed guidance in 1984 about whether to take the University of Miami job and sought Lacewell's advice.
Johnson was the best man at Lacewell's wedding. He hired Lacewell to run the scouting and personnel department when he took over as coach of the Dallas Cowboys .

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1996-10-26/sports/9610251836_1_larry-lacewell-johnson-dallas

 

[gimmesix]

Yes and no on Lacewell. Since Lacewell was brought in by Jimmy Johnson

That's fair. I'll give Jerry half-blame then for keeping him. Lacewell without Jimmy just was too out of touch with the college game or too much of a friend to Jerry to stand up and tell him when a move was the wrong one to make.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's fair. I'll give Jerry half-blame then for keeping him. Lacewell without Jimmy just was too out of touch with the college game or too much of a friend to Jerry to stand up and tell him when a move was the wrong one to make.

Jimmy wanted Lacewell to leave Dallas with him, when Lacewell choose to stay it hacked Jimmy off and had nothing to do with Lacewell after that. Fact is as much as people like to claim Lacewell as being ignorant it was Larry lacewell that Jimmy turned to for guidance and someone he trusted

 

[gimmesix]

Jimmy wanted Lacewell to leave Dallas with him, when Lacewell choose to stay it hacked Jimmy off and had nothing to do with Lacewell after that. Fact is as much as people like to claim Lacewell as being ignorant it was Larry lacewell that Jimmy turned to for guidance and someone he trusted

Lacewell proved he needed someone like Jimmy, though, to be the trigger man. I don't think Lacewell was ignorant. I just think he was on too friendly of terms with Jerry to tell Jerry what to do. The free-rein Jerry years were when our drafting was at its worst.

 

[Bleu Star]

I could be wrong but I doubt he wants to have anything to do with the cap and contracts. That's Stephen's job.

I sure hope you're 100% spot on!

 

[Risen Star]

Yes, Jerry is one of the ultimate examples of the captain only being as good as his crew. His success as a GM has always depended on making the right hires: Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells are good examples of that.

Where he deserves blame as a GM is the years when he failed to hire those kind of guys. He is responsible for Lacewell, for Campo being coach, etc. When he gets his front office right, then Jerry is good GM because he can get the owner to do whatever the rest of the staff tells him is needed.

Tell me how a good GM needs to be told what to do by his staff?

 

[gimmesix]

Tell me how a good GM needs to be told what to do by his staff?

I consider a good GM to be one who assembles a great front office which in turn helps him assemble a great team. No GM builds a great team without the right front office in place for input. So in the same way Jerry is told what to do and makes the final decision, so is any successful GM.

When a GM fails it's because he failed to hire the right pro and college scouting directors and the right coaches. That's where Jerry has missed all these years. He's only gotten it right a few times and that's mainly because he hired the right coach to help him assemble the rest of the team.

 

[Risen Star]

I consider a good GM to be one who assembles a great front office which in turn helps him assemble a great team. No GM builds a great team without the right front office in place for input. So in the same way Jerry is told what to do and makes the final decision, so is any successful GM.

When a GM fails it's because he failed to hire the right pro and college scouting directors and the right coaches. That's where Jerry has missed all these years. He's only gotten it right a few times and that's mainly because he hired the right coach to help him assemble the rest of the team.

I consider a good GM someone who has earned his way to the position and actually provides leadership for his staff. He's not led by the nose. He has actual wisdom in terms of acquiring talent and putting together a winning football team.

Jerry's the same fake GM regardless of who the coach is. It's just that when you have a good one, the guy holding his hand knows where he's going.

 

[gimmesix]

I consider a good GM someone who has earned his way to the position and actually provides leadership for his staff. He's not led by the nose. He has actual wisdom in terms of acquiring talent and putting together a winning football team.

Jerry's the same fake GM regardless of who the coach is. It's just that when you have a good one, the guy holding his hand knows where he's going.

Leadership isn't something you can limit to one way of doing things.

 

[Risen Star]

Leadership isn't something you can limit to one way of doing things.

Give me a break. If your GM needs to be led by the hand by his assistants because he's not really a GM, he's an egotistical maniacal owner, he's never a good GM.

 

[Corso]

Give me a break. If your GM needs to be led by the hand by his assistants because he's not really a GM, he's an egotistical maniacal owner, he's never a good GM.

That's right Risen- you keep black and whiting the hell out of this.
Fight that good fight.

 

[gimmesix]

Give me a break. If your GM needs to be led by the hand by his assistants because he's not really a GM, he's an egotistical maniacal owner, he's never a good GM.

I know you have no love for Jerry. I think he's a flawed GM and would rather he not have that role, but I'm going to give him credit when he does the right things.

He did the right thing despite major criticism in bring in Jimmy Johnson and let him build one of the best teams of all time. He did the right thing after multiple wrong things in hiring Bill Parcells (and learning from him). He appears to be doing the right thing in what he has assembled with Garrett and McClay.

I think you are blinded by your feelings about the "egotistical maniacal owner," while I'm going to give him credit when he does well, even though that success over the years has been too little for my liking.

Let me put it this way: I'm an editor. My job is to put together a good newspaper. I do not write very many of the articles, but I hire the writers who do. If the writers write great articles, I'm a good editor. If they do not, I'm a bad editor. Does the fact that I don't write the articles mean I'm not a good editor.

Jerry's job is to put together a good team. If he does not pick the players, but hires the people who do, does that not make him a good GM when those people put together a great team and a bad GM when they don't? His work as a GM is hiring the right people to assemble that team. If he fails to do that (which he has), that's when he is a bad GM. General managing does not mean making all the decisions independent of all others on your staff; it means working with the other members of your staff to get that done.

 

[Bleu Star]

 

[Risen Star]

I know you have no love for Jerry. I think he's a flawed GM and would rather he not have that role, but I'm going to give him credit when he does the right things.

Actually, get it right. I hate Jerry. Like he assaulted my mother.

But that is besides the point. When you are a completely empty vessel as a GM you are not a good GM. A good GM does more than hire a staff that can lead him down the right path. A good GM actually will lead that discussion. He actually has something to offer. A vision. A good GM doesn't need others to do his job for him.

No matter what way you want to spin it to soothe your Cowboys fan sensitivities, Jerry Jones is a fraudulent and awful General Manager.

 

[gimmesix]

No matter what way you want to spin it to soothe your Cowboys fan sensitivities, Jerry Jones is a fraudulent and awful General Manager.

I always find it sad when a difference of opinion is boiled down to "Cowboys fan sensitivities." I thought you were better than that, but your hatred for Jerry clearly clouds your judgment.

It's not my desire to have Jerry as a GM because I believe that having a separate owner would have led to him being fired after the Barry years. However, I give credit where credit is due because I'm objective about this where you cannot be.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Jerry Jones is a fraudulent and awful General Manager.

It's really going to chap your *** when Jerry gets that crap eating grin and holds up that Lombardi next Feb isn't it?

 

[Doomsday101]

Lacewell proved he needed someone like Jimmy, though, to be the trigger man. I don't think Lacewell was ignorant. I just think he was on too friendly of terms with Jerry to tell Jerry what to do. The free-rein Jerry years were when our drafting was at its worst.

I would say this if Jerry was listening to Lacewell and we saw the results then again I think it goes back to Jerry loyalty issues and not holding him accountable.

 

[Doomsday101]

Tell me how a good GM needs to be told what to do by his staff?

same as Tex, Tex relied on Gil Brandt and Tom Landry. Tex was not out scouting players he was running the business of building America's team and when it came to players acquired that was placed in the care of Brandt and Landry. When drafting was going south in the 80's Tex was not putting Brandt or Landry on the hotseat.
I admit jerry is not a typical GM but in fairness this franchise and never done things as others have done.

 

[rynochop]

Blue star i like your post, but mostly i like your avatar

 

[bark]

Anyone that has been paying attn can see there has clearly been a change in style and philosophy of the front office. I like the direction and more importantly the results. Who gets the credits matters not to me.