Purdy Didn't Have to Wait to Long For His Bag

He ain’t worth it . Signature moment was when he left that SB on the table in OT to the Chiefs . 10 yard line they settle for a FG and Mahomes cleaned up the game set match .
 
RonWashington said:
He ain’t worth it . Signature moment was when he left that SB on the table in OT to the Chiefs . 10 yard line they settle for a FG and Mahomes cleaned up the game set match .
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I don't think you're risking upsetting the locker room, the player...by letting him walk...and potentially risking your job.

Moneyball is a good movie and all, I just think a capable bus driver is a player GMs are proving to stick with in the NFL.

You can claim that you would offer him what you think his worth is, and if he doesn't like it he can walk.

Doesn't Pete Davidson have a commercial that says "when you have stability, you gotta latch on to it"

It's the same argument over and over. I don't think you're letting him walk. You're clutching a concept that is smart on paper, but is actually complicated to execute successfully by not upsetting locker room and not going 5 years looking for someone as good as Purdy.

It's just talk. Billy might have taken risk getting rid of big name sluggers who draw in fans...but football is different than baseball...a lot different.
 
I still haven't seen evidence that NFL teams are moneyballing decent QBs and going cheap rookie contract through draft instead.

Seems like it's only this site that is pounding the table for it.

Sure, maybe there is a shorter leash for QBs, but nothing drastic that I can tell. Bus drivers are still highly sought after and highly paid.

QBs are just too hard to find to play moneyball with...and I think NFL GMs are proving that.
 
What is your 3 or 4 year plan, Ron?

So...you offer Purdy 40M per, he declines and walks.

What is the plan now? Crap shoot drafted QB?

Sign a 25M vet with warts and draft a guy...hoping the draftee works out?

And if he doesn't, like most...you just rinse and repeat every year, using high picks you could have built team around Brock with?

No one is really providing a plan if the drafted QB stinks, and how long you give the stinker before resetting again by drafting a new QB.

You could potentially be 4 years down the road with a lesser QB than Brock...all because of QB market frustrates you.
 
FanofJerry said:
What is your 3 or 4 year plan, Ron?

So...you offer Purdy 40M per, he declines and walks.

What is the plan now? Crap shoot drafted QB?

Sign a 25M vet with warts and draft a guy...hoping the draftee works out?

And if he doesn't, like most...you just rinse and repeat every year, using high picks you could have built team around Brock with?

No one is really providing a plan if the drafted QB stinks, and how long you give the stinker before resetting again by drafting a new QB.

You could potentially be 4 years down the road with a lesser QB than Brock...all because of QB market frustrates you.
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You see when your average salary per is 53 million as former Mr Irrelevant ( last player drafted ) it makes keeping other players around problematical and now your weapons are dismantled and you have to shop for new groceries to surround Purdy with .
 
RonWashington said:
You see when your average salary per is 53 million as former Mr Irrelevant ( last player drafted ) it makes keeping other players around problematical and now your weapons are dismantled and you have to shop for new groceries to surround Purdy with .
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The cap goes up, though. Teams have accounting tricks at their disposal too.

I think the bottom line is, no one likes watching a team with a total stinker at QB.

All the 25M vets have huge warts that make it hard to watch.

I guess I'm looking from a viewing perspective...You're looking from the financial books perspective.

Maybe it can be easier to pull off if you are emplementing the run to take pressure off of a rookie contract.

But if you're trying to pass 50% of the time, most of these QBs are stinkers.

Running the ball is only way executing this rookie QB contract stuff routinely would make sense, imo.

If you're trying to pass the ball, though...I think bus driver is someone you stick with.

If you run the ball, but then find yourself down by 2 touchdowns late in games, gonna be hard to ask a low paid stinker to pull you out of the mess passing the ball.

Think about how many games you watch and how important it is to move the ball and stop the clock with passing late in games trying to comeback.
 
RonWashington said:
You see when your average salary per is 53 million as former Mr Irrelevant ( last player drafted ) it makes keeping other players around problematical and now your weapons are dismantled and you have to shop for new groceries to surround Purdy with .
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They really have no choice. It's akin to price gouging. If you're dying of thirst walking out of a desert, and I have the only 20oz bottle of water within 10 miles, it will cost 100 dollars. Is it worth it? Absolutely not. But what other choice do you have?
 
Treat Dilfer Joe Flacco Mark Rypien Jeff Hostetetler Jaworski Danny White goodness the NFL is littered with “ guys “ who drove the bus stopped up at Quik Trip for Gas & Donuts and had varying degrees of success .

It’s what makes the Prescott contract so baffling little to no success but riches beyond his wildest dreams . And now add Purdy to that list .
 
I’m desperate enough in Dallas to welcome a Joe Milton , good arm big mobile QB . I’ve seen what the QB room in Dallas has delivered lately , change should be embraced not feared .
 
I have no problem with the rookie contract idea if there is a sensible plan in place that dictates how long until you abandon the idea.

There is so much parity in the league, too many games decided by QBs marching the ball down the field and utilizing stopped clocks...something you can't do with a running offense.

A stacked team doesn't win a game late with little time left...a QB does...and it happens all too often, Ron.

It's something you have to accept at some point. Just a rigid approach of "prove you're Michael Jordan at QB during rook contract, or the max we are offering is 13.5% of cap"

None of these GMs actions are agreeing with what this board is pounding the table for.

Do I think teams will start getting stricter about giving out 2nd contracts to obvious average bus drivers? Sure. Purdy and Dak are not average bus drivers...you pay these guys.

GMs want stability at the position, not constant turnover looking for Mahomes.
 
RonWashington said:
He ain’t worth it . Signature moment was when he left that SB on the table in OT to the Chiefs . 10 yard line they settle for a FG and Mahomes cleaned up the game set match .
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You'll change your mind when he's in the playoffs this year and Dak is home sitting on his couch watching. Book the 49ers in the playoffs.
 
Jimbo123 said:
You'll change your mind when he's in the playoffs this year and Dak is home sitting on his couch watching. Book the 49ers in the playoffs.
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That NFC West is a tough outfit . I know he has gone to the playoffs and they repeatedly beat Dallas but i want to see further success . People were critical of Jalen Hurts . Hurts had himself a nice SB WIN
 
Ron is ghosting me on my parity assertion and my late game theatrics are done by QBs and not teams with depth assertion.

Why? Hmm

Because I proved QB stability and pay are valid...and, imo, owners and agents agree on the 20 to 22% annual average of cap at signing.

He wants to take advantage of cheap labor instead, when it's the QB who wins close games late with little time left...not a stacked team. And it happens a lot.
 
FanofJerry said:
The cap goes up, though. Teams have accounting tricks at their disposal too.

I think the bottom line is, no one likes watching a team with a total stinker at QB.

All the 25M vets have huge warts that make it hard to watch.

I guess I'm looking from a viewing perspective...You're looking from the financial books perspective.

Maybe it can be easier to pull off if you are emplementing the run to take pressure off of a rookie contract.

But if you're trying to pass 50% of the time, most of these QBs are stinkers.

Running the ball is only way executing this rookie QB contract stuff routinely would make sense, imo.

If you're trying to pass the ball, though...I think bus driver is someone you stick with.

If you run the ball, but then find yourself down by 2 touchdowns late in games, gonna be hard to ask a low paid stinker to pull you out of the mess passing the ball.

Think about how many games you watch and how important it is to move the ball and stop the clock with passing late in games trying to comeback.
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I think it is more about what a franchise is aiming for. Our franchise aims for middle of the pack because it’s a much larger target than building a championship level surrounding roster/coaching (which is far more difficult than finding a bus driver QB).

Building that championship roster/coaching is extremely difficult because you need vision, buy in from ownership (even if it means losing a lot certain seasons), and luck and timing. Luck and timing to be sufficiently bad the years prior to drafts that will land you the key contributors needed to continue building the roster. Luck that the draft falls right for you, but knowledge to be aggressive when necessary to get your guys (which ties into the vision leadership has for the build). Timing to build it quickly enough before some players age out.

The team that builds that way must be ready to move on from aging and expensive players even if it means they may be worse in the short term. They must be willing to move on from a bus driver the moment their skills decline even a little. SF is trying to win within the next three seasons. CMC is the key to their offense (as is their running game with play action no matter how good Shanahan is at drawing up plays), but they really need Aiyuk to quickly make it back on the field. Also Trent Williams is likely gone in the next 3 seasons-so we’ll see how that situation develops. They made a SB and two NFCCG with their current core. They basically made a 2-3 year deal to try to run it back. Lynch and Shanahan are not the types to hang on to Purdy if they flop in the playoffs. Just like Reid was not afraid to make an aggressive move to replace Alex Smith even though they routinely made the playoffs with him being a good bus driver. Tyrod Taylor was a decent bus driver in Buffalo and they made the playoffs with him. McDermott wanted someone better so they made two trades in the 2018 draft to go get Josh Allen. Teams that really want to be better at the QB situation get aggressive when they feel the move needs to be made. They don’t look at how much cash the QB is bringing in with merchandise and advertising. You can bet the second that Jalen Hurts looks like his speed and elusiveness are starting to decline, that Roseman will be looking to move on…
 
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