QB Debate: Tony or Dak week one?

[plasticman]

Im thinking there might be a temporary roadblock for Dak when opponents actually begin to gameplan. Im pretty sure they would come up with something that may confuse a
ROOKIE 4th ROUND DRAFT PICK .

Im going to go out on a limb here but I wouldnt be shocked to learn that most NFL Head Coaches place some type of value on experience. You know, actually KNOWING WHAT TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR THAT TEAM THE LAST TEN YEARS.

Im willing to wait until Romo at least STOPS PLAYING AT A PRO BOWL LEVEL.

Im looking at the list of Super Bowl Champion rookie starting QB's, not what I would consider a daunting task.

However, the list of Super Bowl Champion QB's with 10 years experience takes a little more effort which leads me to a particular conclusion.

 

[DFWJC]

Im thinking there might be a temporary roadblock for Dak when opponents actually begin to gameplan. Im pretty sure they would come up with something that may confuse a
ROOKIE 4th ROUND DRAFT PICK .

Im going to go out on a limb here but I wouldnt be shocked to learn that most NFL Head Coaches place some type of value on experience. You know, actually KNOWING WHAT TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR THAT TEAM THE LAST TEN YEARS.

Im willing to wait until Romo at least STOPS PLAYING AT A PRO BOWL LEVEL.

Im looking at the list of Super Bowl Champion rookie starting QB's, not what I would consider a daunting task.

However, the list of Super Bowl Champion QB's with 10 years experience takes a little more effort which leads me to a particular conclusion.

Has there ever been a rookie QBing the Super Bowl winner?

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm speechless...

 

[Frozen700]

Romo is getting old, and I'm all for replacing him.

I'd just love to give Dak one more year though

 

[DandyDon1722]

Romo is getting old, and I'm all for replacing him.

I'd just love to give Dak one more year though

Well hell, let's just replace 'em all...

Brees, Rivers, Brady, Manning, Palmer, Romo, etc

Times up - Never mind that Peyton won a Super Bowl at 40.

 

[Verdict]

Why should there not be a competition for the starting QB job right now??
If Tony fell in the shower, and hurt his throwing arm, and couldnt play for 10 weeks, how many
would be ok with Dak starting?
How many would say no sit dak let him learn, and bring in a vet??

I think Dak is winning the QB competition right now, but it seems even if he does many fans
would still want Tony to start.

Lets look at both.
Dak:
158.3 passer rating Miami game
Is young , and healthy, and I think bigger than tony ??
Much more mobile, and great at running with the ball, he gets loose, he can run 60
yards for a td, and tony could not do that in 2006.
Has good arm, can make all the throws, and has been very accurate.
Has only been sacked once, I think ?
Is reading the field good, and finding receivers open, always looking down field.
Lacks experience and playing time in NFL. Never been in a playoff game.
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Tony
107.5 passer rating Miami game
Is old, has bad back, cant run, and not sure if he can still do his spin move, didnt seem
to use that last year.
Has more experience, but that hasnt got him past the div round in his whole career.
Can make all the throws also, but hasnt been as good as Dak has been.
Knows the Dallas offense better than anyone, or should, and has seen many defenses.
Is a legend , and probably best known QB in the world.
Has not had much success in playoffs.
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Tony will have to rely on his passing, and the running backs, and his limited scrambling ability,
and his experience.
Dak can not only scramble and move in pocket quicker than tony, but can take off and run,
like the 25 yard td run in Miami game.
That is the main thing that to me makes Dak the better QB, and not just Tony, but better than any other
QB in the league, even R. Wilson.
That is a huge advantage, to be able to run like that. Kapernick could do it, but maybe not as good, and he lacked other quality's that Dak has.
________
So if it were me I would go with Dak as starter and have Romo back him up, and see how it goes.
And Preseason isnt over yet, so the competition is still ongoing, So I might change my mind.

I am not a Romo hater, and if Dak did get the starting job I would feel bad for Romo, but hey
he has 100 mil so wont feel too bad for him!
And we would have the best bkup QB in the NFL !

But really if Dak looks as good in Seattle game, it is crazy not to make him the starter.
Best player up, the one that gives you best chance to win, and if it doesnt work out,
Romo is on the sidelines healthy and ready to play!
Or you can play the old vet who is a legend, and hero , and a great guy.
And dont get me wrong, Tony is still a good qb, one of the best, I just think Dak is on another level
and is young and can run, which again is a huge weapon tony has never really had, and most QB's
cant run very good.
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I also think many players, are thinking Dak should start too. They seem to play better for him
than Romo.

Dak could very well be the best QB in the NFL, and people are saying he needs to sit few years and learn?
And I admit, he could be just incredibly lucky, and a fluke and these 2 pre season games are meaningless.
But I dont think so, and we will see what happens in next 2 games and go from there.

Also I dont think Jerry or JG have the kahunas to start Dak over Romo, no matter how good Dak looks.
And it would be hard to do, I would do it, but I would not like doing it.
But if you want to win play your best players.

Ok, I am done now Tell me how dumb I am !

Ok, rather than just bash you, which most posters have done so far, I will try to have a reasonable, substantive response to your post. While it is very premature to discuss this topic, there is nothing wrong with the academic exercise of discussing "what if"?

Having said that, I echo the majority of posters who think that it is way to premature for Dak to start over Romo and for that thought process to have any basis in reality at this point based on what we have seen so far. Is Dak looking awesome? Yes, of course he is. In fact every Cowboys fan should be super excited right now that we may have actually found our future franchise QB.

Having said that, Romo is a future hall of fame QB who is arguably at the top of his game. I will admit that last year in the first game or two he wasn't perfect and one could reasonably argue that his imperfect play and injury history is the beginning of the end. Personally, I think that is premature to draw that conclusion, but no one here can see the future, so all we can do is make an educated guess.

Right now, if Romo can play at the same level he has played up to this point, you continue to let him ride it out as long as he can because he is battle tested. His cap number will come into play at some point, but currently that isn't an issue. Romo is gold as far as I am concerned.

I disagree with the Romo has the "right" to go out on his own terms, and that his skill level isn't a factor in his right to go out on his own terms. I think that is absurd in the same way that I think Jason Witten is overvalued based on his current cap number and performance. Witten is one of the all time great Cowboys, however some people, including me, think his best days are behind him. Reasonable minds can see the same facts differently.

Dak's sample size is really small, so it is hard to tell how awesome he really is....or isn't. Granted he may be the next great hall of fame Cowboys QB. Time will tell. But what we haven't seen Dak do is play against starting NFL teams week in and week out. Once teams get film on a QB they figure out your preferences, what your tendencies are, what you like to do, want to do, and can't do well. Then they try to force you to do the things that you don't like to do or can't do well. Dak hasn't faced that yet.

Let's enjoy this process. Let's enjoy Romo until his last ride off into the sunset as a Cowboy. Let's enjoy watching Dak grow and prove he can do the things I just wrote about. When the time comes to pass the torch, it will probably be obvious, or driven by necessity. Maybe if Romo gets hurt Dak will take over and Romo will never play again.

But just remember how long we went before Romo grasped the franchise reins. Let's not be over zealous to see it end. If Dak isn't that guy we would be the laughingstock of the NFL, and more importantly it would set the franchise back .... maybe years.

 

[Zman5]

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[plasticman]

Has there ever been a rookie QBing the Super Bowl winner?

Nope.

I would be hard pressed to name a rookie that experienced success in the playoffs.

I think Joe Flaco came the closest

 

[Verdict]

Nope.

I would be hard pressed to name a rookie that experienced success in the playoffs.

I think Joe Flaco came the closest

Was Ruthlessraper a rookie when he won the SB???

 

[DFWJC]

Nope.

I would be hard pressed to name a rookie that experienced success in the playoffs.

I think Joe Flaco came the closest

Yeah, I couldn't find any Super Bowl champs.
Roethlisberger and Wilson had playoff success....but not SB champs as rookies.
They also had the best defenses in the league at the time.

 

[JDSmith]

Was Ruthlessraper a rookie when he won the SB???

Second year.

 

[Bullflop]

Tony should rightfully start this year for sure. Dak isn't quite ready yet. He'll need more time and seasoning. If pressed, I think he might be the first to admit it. Dak will be a starter as soon as Tony indicates he's unable to handle it any longer. It would be a shame to see Dak get pushed into a starting role too early, only to lose what confidence he now has in so doing. I believe his turn will come just about as surely as night follows day.

 

[DFWJC]

Well hell, let's just replace 'em all...

Brees, Rivers, Brady, Manning, Palmer, Romo, etc

Times up - Never mind that Peyton won a Super Bowl at 40.

You have to understand that Frozen has been asking for Romo's exit for years.

Thought getting Maziel would be a dream come true, etc.

In fact, most that want Romo out now also wanted him out < 2014's MVP like year, and wanted him gone years before that too.
The proper term is "haters" and without exaggeration.
So no surprise.

 

[coogrfan]

Why should there not be a competition for the starting QB job right now??

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[tyke1doe]

To the originator of this thread, please tell me you're joking? Please?

 

[khiladi]

 

[khiladi]

 

[MileyDancer]

 

[CouchCoach]

And this is how it starts. Next stop, a Romo sub forum all to himself.

On the old site I used to frequent, the Romorooters, think of Roto-Rooter, got so bad that they had to create a separate forum because it was erupting into many time outs because it got so personal. The Rooters were relentless in their dislike of him as the Cowboys QB and there wasn't an alternative. Now, Dak has arrived and played well in preseason and the Rooters have come out of hiding. Not saying the OP is a Rooter at all but just this one situation resulted in my transferring my membership to the Zone.

And get ready for Romo's first mistake, that will be the cattle call for all Rooters to attack. They've never been more primed for a full out assault because they've just never liked Tony Romo as the DC QB.

The positive to me is our QB1 has been watching QB2 and hearing all of these accolades and like him or not, he's one of the most competitive football players that has ever worn that Star. This can't be anything but good for us.

 

[DandyDon1722]

You have to understand that Frozen has been asking for Romo's exit for years.

Thought getting Maziel would be a dream come true, etc.

In fact, most that want Romo out now also wanted him out < 2014's MVP like year, and wanted him gone years before that too.
The proper term is "haters" and without exaggeration.
So no surprise.

I know - he's also young and I know how I was but that shouldn't be an excuse. I love the fact he's so passionate - we just gotta keep him in line.