QB Salary Cap Discussed by Owners

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"There has certainly been discussion within the league among certain owners about even the idea of a quarterback cap, that at some point you don't want quarterback numbers to go over a certain percentage of your salary cap," NFL Network's Tom Pelissero said Tuesday during an appearance on The Rich Eisen Show (6:10 mark). "To my knowledge, that hasn't really gained traction, in part because so many teams have paid their quarterbacks."
 

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They need to do something. When any average Joe like Dak can demand to be the top paid QB in the league and potentially make more than a 4 time super bowl champion, something is wrong and needs to change.
 

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There really doesn't need to be a rule. If you can't pay a QB and field a competitive team, don't pay the QB. It hasn't gotten to that point yet. Maybe paying a QB will force you to lose a player like Parsons or Lamb. That's totally up to the owner/GM. It's not forced on them.
 

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They need to do something. When any average Joe like Dak can demand to be the top paid QB in the league and potentially make more than a 4 time super bowl champion, something is wrong and needs to change.
Quickly, they can come off one great season and demand top dollar
 

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People laughed when I said this. There is going to be a reckoning league wide with QBs. A QB cap could be one way they go but another way might be teams deciding to sign mid-level QBs for half the cost of an elite QB and then using the cap space to load up the rest of their roster, especially on offense, as best they can.
 

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Explain please
Here is an article explaining it:

Simply put, the luxury tax is a system designed to reward teams for staying under a set limit of spending — and punish those that don't.

As mentioned above, a salary cap does exist in the NBA. The exact cap will be decided during the July moratorium (a period when league officials determine the exact figures for the upcoming season), but current estimates project it will be somewhere around $136 million.

Here's where it gets a little confusing. Teams are allowed to use certain exceptions to exceed the salary cap, including bi-annual exceptions, mid-level exceptions, Bird rights, and more. For more information on those, you can read up here.

Teams can use exceptions to exceed the salary cap, often by a lot. But they can only spend so much before they get hit with the luxury tax.

There is an additional luxury tax line separate from the salary cap. This year, it is projected to be set at around $165 million. The further teams go past the luxury tax line, the more fees they will have to pay. The exact fees are determined annually using a complex formula, but you can find the figures from the 2021-22 season below, per HoopsRumors.com.

  • $0-5 million above tax line: $1.50 per dollar (up to $7.5 million)
  • $5-10 million above tax line: $1.75 per dollar (up to $8.75 million)
  • $10-15 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
  • $15-20 million above tax line: $3.25 per dollar (up to $16.25 million).
  • For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, fees increase by $0.50 per dollar.
The penalties are also more severe for teams labeled "repeat offenders." This means they have exceeded the luxury tax line in three out of the last four seasons. Here are the fees for repeat offenders:

  • $0-5 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
  • $5-10 million above tax line: $2.75 per dollar (up to $13.75 million)
  • $10-15 million above tax line: $3.50 per dollar (up to $17.5 million)
  • $15-20 million above tax line: $4.25 per dollar (up to $21.25 million)
  • For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, rates increase by $0.50 per dollar.
Those harsh punishments for teams above the tax line have served as an effective deterrent for reckless spending. Only five teams are projected to exceed the luxury tax line in 2023-24. Those teams are listed below, along with the projected fees they would have to pay.

(All figures taken from Spotrac.)

TeamPayrollLuxury tax spaceLuxury tax fees
LA Clippers$201.9 million$-36.8 million$155.5 million
Golden State Warriors$181.1 million$-16.1 million$48.6 million
Phoenix Suns$175 million$-10.1 million$16.4 million
Boston Celtics$173.3 million$-8.3 million$13.2 million
Miami Heat$173.1 million$-8.1 million$13 million
There is one final wrinkle with the current luxury tax system. As of the 2023-24 season, a new "second apron" will be added that brings another hurdle for teams well over the luxury tax line. Any team that ends up $17.5 million above the luxury tax threshold will face even more severe punishments, including losing its mid-level exception, essentially limiting them to only signing players on minimum contracts.
 

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They need to do something. When any average Joe like Dak can demand to be the top paid QB in the league and potentially make more than a 4 time super bowl champion, something is wrong and needs to change.
Do something for what? Just don't pay him lol. No one is putting a gun to their head and making them pay these guys lol.
 

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Here is an article explaining it:

Simply put, the luxury tax is a system designed to reward teams for staying under a set limit of spending — and punish those that don't.

As mentioned above, a salary cap does exist in the NBA. The exact cap will be decided during the July moratorium (a period when league officials determine the exact figures for the upcoming season), but current estimates project it will be somewhere around $136 million.

Here's where it gets a little confusing. Teams are allowed to use certain exceptions to exceed the salary cap, including bi-annual exceptions, mid-level exceptions, Bird rights, and more. For more information on those, you can read up here.

Teams can use exceptions to exceed the salary cap, often by a lot. But they can only spend so much before they get hit with the luxury tax.

There is an additional luxury tax line separate from the salary cap. This year, it is projected to be set at around $165 million. The further teams go past the luxury tax line, the more fees they will have to pay. The exact fees are determined annually using a complex formula, but you can find the figures from the 2021-22 season below, per HoopsRumors.com.

  • $0-5 million above tax line: $1.50 per dollar (up to $7.5 million)
  • $5-10 million above tax line: $1.75 per dollar (up to $8.75 million)
  • $10-15 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
  • $15-20 million above tax line: $3.25 per dollar (up to $16.25 million).
  • For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, fees increase by $0.50 per dollar.
The penalties are also more severe for teams labeled "repeat offenders." This means they have exceeded the luxury tax line in three out of the last four seasons. Here are the fees for repeat offenders:

  • $0-5 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
  • $5-10 million above tax line: $2.75 per dollar (up to $13.75 million)
  • $10-15 million above tax line: $3.50 per dollar (up to $17.5 million)
  • $15-20 million above tax line: $4.25 per dollar (up to $21.25 million)
  • For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, rates increase by $0.50 per dollar.
Those harsh punishments for teams above the tax line have served as an effective deterrent for reckless spending. Only five teams are projected to exceed the luxury tax line in 2023-24. Those teams are listed below, along with the projected fees they would have to pay.

(All figures taken from Spotrac.)

TeamPayrollLuxury tax spaceLuxury tax fees
LA Clippers$201.9 million$-36.8 million$155.5 million
Golden State Warriors$181.1 million$-16.1 million$48.6 million
Phoenix Suns$175 million$-10.1 million$16.4 million
Boston Celtics$173.3 million$-8.3 million$13.2 million
Miami Heat$173.1 million$-8.1 million$13 million
There is one final wrinkle with the current luxury tax system. As of the 2023-24 season, a new "second apron" will be added that brings another hurdle for teams well over the luxury tax line. Any team that ends up $17.5 million above the luxury tax threshold will face even more severe punishments, including losing its mid-level exception, essentially limiting them to only signing players on minimum contracts.
Why do you think the NFL would benefit from this?
 

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Why do you think the NFL would benefit from this?
The extra earned income from cap violations can be used for various things around the league. Charity, player safety research, a fund for retired players to tap into for health related issues.
 

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People laughed when I said this. There is going to be a reckoning league wide with QBs. A QB cap could be one way they go but another way might be teams deciding to sign mid-level QBs for half the cost of an elite QB and then using the cap space to load up the rest of their roster, especially on offense, as best they can.
Absolutely. Teams could do that now if they wanted to. But guess what happens if you have any success? That QB is going to want top dollar. But only from you. Even if they won't get it elsewhere, they'll want it from you.
 

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All it would mean is big and little Enos creating a new excuse as to why they can’t make contracts work even though everyone else does
 

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"There has certainly been discussion within the league among certain owners about even the idea of a quarterback cap, that at some point you don't want quarterback numbers to go over a certain percentage of your salary cap," NFL Network's Tom Pelissero said Tuesday during an appearance on The Rich Eisen Show (6:10 mark). "To my knowledge, that hasn't really gained traction, in part because so many teams have paid their quarterbacks."
The owners sign the contracts. So I don't see what the problem is. If you max out QB at a % across the league, then the next position like WR will only go up, so forth and so one. Then at what point is their to have a GM.

The is will take away the balance of the league and every QB will be paid pretty much the same, which gives the top 10 QB teams a huge advantage.
 

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The owners sign the contracts. So I don't see what the problem is. If you max out QB at a % across the league, then the next position like WR will only go up, so forth and so one. Then at what point is their to have a GM.

The is will take away the balance of the league and every QB will be paid pretty much the same, which gives the top 10 QB teams a huge advantage.
Top ten QB teams have a huge advantage now. If the 49ers do well again this year, Brock Purdy is going to want 60M a year. That would be paid more than Mahomes. Which team has the advantage?
 

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Top ten QB teams have a huge advantage now. If the 49ers do well again this year, Brock Purdy is going to want 60M a year. That would be paid more than Mahomes. Which team has the advantage?
They should not have a huge advantage now. If you pay $25M more at QB than another team, then they should be $25M better somewhere else in the field.
 

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Doesnt need to be a rule, but I think eventually the NFL may look at the NBA model and implementing a luxury tax.
Hard cap has been in effect for 30 years. Jerry lead the charge for this. It is hard for me to envision a bunch of old guard owners wanting to change a system that has done nothing but guarantee huge profits and line their pockets for three decades.
 

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There should have already been a maximum wage in place just as there is a minimum wage. The money would then be more evenly distributed among the team.

Quarterback would still be the highest paid position on average, but he wouldn't be getting paid up to 50 times more than some of the other players.
 
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