QB Salary Cap Discussed by Owners

[GINeric]

They need to do something. When any average Joe like Dak can demand to be the top paid QB in the league and potentially make more than a 4 time super bowl champion, something is wrong and needs to change.

And I'll ask again.....

What other "average joe" quarterbacks can place themselves in the top 10 out of 80 plus quarterbacks league wide, most of their careers, become an All-Pro and a MVP candidate??

Give me the list of other "average joe" quarterbacks who have been a perennial top 10 quarterback and became an All-Pro and a MVP candidate without a running game to aid them on a league leading penalized team.....

No antics, no deflecting, no talking about anything else that doesn't have **** to do with answering the question.

What are the names of these other "average joe" quarterbacks who have done what Dak was able to do???


(Who wants to bet money he run and hide or deflects from answering the question)

 

[Whyjerry]

So the guys responsible for driving up QB salaries are trying to now place a cap on those salaries? Isn’t that textbook collusion?

 

[Coogiguy03]

Here is an article explaining it:

Simply put, the luxury tax is a system designed to reward teams for staying under a set limit of spending — and punish those that don't.

As mentioned above, a salary cap does exist in the NBA. The exact cap will be decided during the July moratorium (a period when league officials determine the exact figures for the upcoming season), but current estimates project it will be somewhere around $136 million.

Here's where it gets a little confusing. Teams are allowed to use certain exceptions to exceed the salary cap, including bi-annual exceptions, mid-level exceptions, Bird rights, and more. For more information on those, you can read up here.

Teams can use exceptions to exceed the salary cap, often by a lot. But they can only spend so much before they get hit with the luxury tax.

There is an additional luxury tax line separate from the salary cap. This year, it is projected to be set at around $165 million. The further teams go past the luxury tax line, the more fees they will have to pay. The exact fees are determined annually using a complex formula, but you can find the figures from the 2021-22 season below, per HoopsRumors.com.

• $0-5 million above tax line: $1.50 per dollar (up to $7.5 million)
• $5-10 million above tax line: $1.75 per dollar (up to $8.75 million)
• $10-15 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
• $15-20 million above tax line: $3.25 per dollar (up to $16.25 million).
• For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, fees increase by $0.50 per dollar.

The penalties are also more severe for teams labeled "repeat offenders." This means they have exceeded the luxury tax line in three out of the last four seasons. Here are the fees for repeat offenders:

• $0-5 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
• $5-10 million above tax line: $2.75 per dollar (up to $13.75 million)
• $10-15 million above tax line: $3.50 per dollar (up to $17.5 million)
• $15-20 million above tax line: $4.25 per dollar (up to $21.25 million)
• For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, rates increase by $0.50 per dollar.

Those harsh punishments for teams above the tax line have served as an effective deterrent for reckless spending. Only five teams are projected to exceed the luxury tax line in 2023-24. Those teams are listed below, along with the projected fees they would have to pay.

(All figures taken from Spotrac.)

Team	Payroll	Luxury tax space	Luxury tax fees
LA Clippers	$201.9 million	$-36.8 million	$155.5 million
Golden State Warriors	$181.1 million	$-16.1 million	$48.6 million
Phoenix Suns	$175 million	$-10.1 million	$16.4 million
Boston Celtics	$173.3 million	$-8.3 million	$13.2 million
Miami Heat	$173.1 million	$-8.1 million	$13 million

There is one final wrinkle with the current luxury tax system. As of the 2023-24 season, a new "second apron" will be added that brings another hurdle for teams well over the luxury tax line. Any team that ends up $17.5 million above the luxury tax threshold will face even more severe punishments, including losing its mid-level exception, essentially limiting them to only signing players on minimum contracts.

Thanks so much, do you think it could work??

 

[Coogiguy03]

The owners sign the contracts. So I don't see what the problem is. If you max out QB at a % across the league, then the next position like WR will only go up, so forth and so one. Then at what point is their to have a GM.

The is will take away the balance of the league and every QB will be paid pretty much the same, which gives the top 10 QB teams a huge advantage.

Why would you cut them off and allow others to run it up?? To me there needs to be a cap at every position, would it even be a thought hell no because every player is rooting for every player to drive up the money. The owners are the getting rich so why shouldn't the players

 

[KingCorcoran]

The owners sign the contracts. So I don't see what the problem is. If you max out QB at a % across the league, then the next position like WR will only go up, so forth and so one. Then at what point is their to have a GM.

The is will take away the balance of the league and every QB will be paid pretty much the same, which gives the top 10 QB teams a huge advantage.

The players will not agree to grant owners anything the owners value without getting something of equal value in return. So there is no upside for the owners financially.

 

[Coogiguy03]

There should have already been a maximum wage in place just as there is a minimum wage. The money would then be more evenly distributed among the team.

Quarterback would still be the highest paid position on average, but he wouldn't be getting paid up to 50 times more than some of the other players.

With how things are in life now, someone should start a complaint as to why QBs make so much

 

[cald0d30s0]

Its a “free market”. QBs will continue to ask for more if owners continue to pay them. Thats the name of this game. This is why we continue to see teams focusing more on passing and passing, because financially its hard to build an actual good team, because you need to pay a lot of players and also the league has made rules that help the QBs.

So, adding this rule makes no sense at all because owners will still pay those high salaries because finding a QB is hard.

Maybe a bit off topic, but I think the league needs a rule to deal with RBs salaries. People don’t want to sign them for a lot of money because of the cap and many of them wear out after 3-4 years. I believe not counting % of their salary against the cap would make more sense.

 

[plasticman]

With how things are in life now, someone should start a complaint as to why QBs make so much

Rumor has it the NFLPA held a vote to discuss it. They voted in favor 1664-32.

 

[CyberB0b]

They need to do something. When any average Joe like Dak can demand to be the top paid QB in the league and potentially make more than a 4 time super bowl champion, something is wrong and needs to change.

There have been much worse, historically. Guys like Brock Osweiler, for example.

 

[ATXSRT]

Teams just need to stop paying guys top dollar for below top dollar performance.

Yeah but you have teams like the Browns and Jags that ruin it for everyone else.

 

[Rockport]

They need to do something. When any average Joe like Dak can demand to be the top paid QB in the league and potentially make more than a 4 time super bowl champion, something is wrong and needs to change.

Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak, Dak owns you.

 

[Rockport]

And I'll ask again.....

What other "average joe" quarterbacks can place themselves in the top 10 out of 80 plus quarterbacks league wide, most of their careers, become an All-Pro and a MVP candidate??

Give me the list of other "average joe" quarterbacks who have been a perennial top 10 quarterback and became an All-Pro and a MVP candidate without a running game to aid them on a league leading penalized team.....

No antics, no deflecting, no talking about anything else that doesn't have **** to do with answering the question.

What are the names of these other "average joe" quarterbacks who have done what Dak was able to do???


(Who wants to bet money he run and hide or deflects from answering the question)

He’ll come back with a playoff stat. That’s all the haters got even though it makes them look silly.

 

[Chasing6]

Yeah but you have teams like the Browns and Jags that ruin it for everyone else.

Never going to happen at the QB position with the lack of talent/experience. Simply supply and demand. Just look at the 1st round failure rates for QB's.

As the Salary Cap goes up, so will QB contracts.

The NFL has turned into a passing dominated league. QB and WR contracts are astronomical.

 

[FVSTONE]

https://syndication.bleacherreport....y-some-owners-amid-growing-contracts.amp.html


I've been saying this, at what point will a QB finally make 100 million a season?? 20 percent of the cap that's a lot!

It's getting to a point where they may have to blow the whole thing up and start over because I cannot see ownership dipping that much deeper to cover these outrageous salaries that have gone off the rails. Baseball is getting totally out of control with the $600 million plus salaries that are not going to be sustainable in the very near future. Next you are going to witness players demanding shares in teams if the owner wants to sign them. Once players get control of teams it's going to be over in a NY minute.............

 

[Cowboys5217]

Just go to the obvious Moneyball System - Constantly draft QBs in the 1st round every year. If you find the guy that wins the SB on his rookie deal then pay him, but also keep drafting QBs in the 1st so that you can keep trading them for multiple picks, and be ready to switch QBs if your highly paid QB is no longer getting it done.

 

[KingCorcoran]

It's getting to a point where they may have to blow the whole thing up and start over because I cannot see ownership dipping that much deeper to cover these outrageous salaries that have gone off the rails. Baseball is getting totally out of control with the $600 million plus salaries that are not going to be sustainable in the very near future. Next you are going to witness players demanding shares in teams if the owner wants to sign them. Once players get control of teams it's going to be over in a NY minute.............

The CBA already prohibits teams granting shares in the team to players. It would be a ploy to circumvent the salary cap. Your suggestion is impossible. If the owners ever believe the popularity of the league is jeopardized by players salaries they’ll consider changes. As it is, other leagues pay significant amounts to their stars. The NFL is not out of line and in fact considering the much larger rosters provide employment at significant compensation to many more athletes. The NFL is doing just fine with player compensation. The only person struggling with it is Jerry Jones.

 

[Streifenkarl]

And I'll ask again.....

What other "average joe" quarterbacks can place themselves in the top 10 out of 80 plus quarterbacks league wide, most of their careers, become an All-Pro and a MVP candidate??

Give me the list of other "average joe" quarterbacks who have been a perennial top 10 quarterback and became an All-Pro and a MVP candidate without a running game to aid them on a league leading penalized team.....

No antics, no deflecting, no talking about anything else that doesn't have **** to do with answering the question.

What are the names of these other "average joe" quarterbacks who have done what Dak was able to do???


(Who wants to bet money he run and hide or deflects from answering the question)

LoL Dak is a stats padder and nothing else. Always choking when it counts.

And that's the only thing that matters. Anything else (especially that runner up MVP nonsense) is just antics, deflecting, talking about anything else that doesn't have to do **** with the one and only important fact.

He can have all the money in the world, don't have a problem with that and don't care about salaries in general. Won't shed a tear for owners pockets. But please get that money someplace else.

 

[plymkr]

Here is an article explaining it:

Simply put, the luxury tax is a system designed to reward teams for staying under a set limit of spending — and punish those that don't.

As mentioned above, a salary cap does exist in the NBA. The exact cap will be decided during the July moratorium (a period when league officials determine the exact figures for the upcoming season), but current estimates project it will be somewhere around $136 million.

Here's where it gets a little confusing. Teams are allowed to use certain exceptions to exceed the salary cap, including bi-annual exceptions, mid-level exceptions, Bird rights, and more. For more information on those, you can read up here.

Teams can use exceptions to exceed the salary cap, often by a lot. But they can only spend so much before they get hit with the luxury tax.

There is an additional luxury tax line separate from the salary cap. This year, it is projected to be set at around $165 million. The further teams go past the luxury tax line, the more fees they will have to pay. The exact fees are determined annually using a complex formula, but you can find the figures from the 2021-22 season below, per HoopsRumors.com.

• $0-5 million above tax line: $1.50 per dollar (up to $7.5 million)
• $5-10 million above tax line: $1.75 per dollar (up to $8.75 million)
• $10-15 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
• $15-20 million above tax line: $3.25 per dollar (up to $16.25 million).
• For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, fees increase by $0.50 per dollar.

The penalties are also more severe for teams labeled "repeat offenders." This means they have exceeded the luxury tax line in three out of the last four seasons. Here are the fees for repeat offenders:

• $0-5 million above tax line: $2.50 per dollar (up to $12.5 million)
• $5-10 million above tax line: $2.75 per dollar (up to $13.75 million)
• $10-15 million above tax line: $3.50 per dollar (up to $17.5 million)
• $15-20 million above tax line: $4.25 per dollar (up to $21.25 million)
• For every additional $5 million above tax line beyond $20 million, rates increase by $0.50 per dollar.

Those harsh punishments for teams above the tax line have served as an effective deterrent for reckless spending. Only five teams are projected to exceed the luxury tax line in 2023-24. Those teams are listed below, along with the projected fees they would have to pay.

(All figures taken from Spotrac.)

Team	Payroll	Luxury tax space	Luxury tax fees
LA Clippers	$201.9 million	$-36.8 million	$155.5 million
Golden State Warriors	$181.1 million	$-16.1 million	$48.6 million
Phoenix Suns	$175 million	$-10.1 million	$16.4 million
Boston Celtics	$173.3 million	$-8.3 million	$13.2 million
Miami Heat	$173.1 million	$-8.1 million	$13 million

There is one final wrinkle with the current luxury tax system. As of the 2023-24 season, a new "second apron" will be added that brings another hurdle for teams well over the luxury tax line. Any team that ends up $17.5 million above the luxury tax threshold will face even more severe punishments, including losing its mid-level exception, essentially limiting them to only signing players on minimum contracts.

Thanks

 

[CowboyoWales]

There really doesn't need to be a rule. If you can't pay a QB and field a competitive team, don't pay the QB. It hasn't gotten to that point yet. Maybe paying a QB will force you to lose a player like Parsons or Lamb. That's totally up to the owner/GM. It's not forced on them.

In what's so frequently termed a 'COPYCAT League', why cant teams see that it's only Elite or Rookie/low CAP% QB's tend to get to SB's. If you dont have elite QB's and there are very few of them, you may as well go Plan B.

 

[CowboyoWales]

And I'll ask again.....

What other "average joe" quarterbacks can place themselves in the top 10 out of 80 plus quarterbacks league wide, most of their careers, become an All-Pro and a MVP candidate??

Give me the list of other "average joe" quarterbacks who have been a perennial top 10 quarterback and became an All-Pro and a MVP candidate without a running game to aid them on a league leading penalized team.....

No antics, no deflecting, no talking about anything else that doesn't have **** to do with answering the question.

What are the names of these other "average joe" quarterbacks who have done what Dak was able to do???


(Who wants to bet money he run and hide or deflects from answering the question)

Purdy, Hurts, Love, Stafford and Goff all epitomized in the average joe category...... all with better recent play-off wins than Dak.