QB Scouts

[FanofJerry]

For all the posters claiming they have known Daks shortcomings since day one...(bad at reading or defeating zone; less than ideal arm; cant read, manipulate or process the defense fast enough; inaccurate throws...

Just odd that there is a swelling of people claiming this was all obvious.

So I pose this question: Tell us who in the college ranks doesnt have these problems and will pan out in the Pro's. There are lots of college QB's to choose from so this cant be too hard. Surely you knew it with Dak so now you can tell us the future.

 

[john van brocklin]

For all the posters claiming they have known Daks shortcomings since day one...(bad at reading or defeating zone; less than ideal arm; cant read, manipulate or process the defense fast enough; inaccurate throws...

Just odd that there is a swelling of people claiming this was all obvious.

So I pose this question: Tell us who in the college ranks doesnt have these problems and will pan out in the Pro's. There are lots of college QB's to choose from so this cant be too hard. Surely you knew it with Dak so now you can tell us the future.

You lost me as soon as I saw your user name.

 

[Khartun]

You lost me as soon as I saw your user name.

I think he means Jerry Garcia. I'm a big Grateful Dead fan also.

 

[Creeper]

I am sure Dak had some obvious flaws coming out of college or he would not have dropped to the 4th round.

But that is beside the point. Player coming out of college develop over time or they do not last in the NFL. Dak looked promising when he first came out with Dallas. He has progressed in some way but not in others.

 

[Runwildboys]

I don't recall, but were those characteristics in his scouting reports?

 

[bewp7]

is this one of those jerry 1+1=3 thing

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I don't recall, but were those characteristics in his scouting reports?

His scouting report coming out of college when it came to weaknesses surprisingly are still basically the same 6 years later.

• Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
• Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
• Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
• Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
• Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
• Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
• Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
• Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
• Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
• Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
• Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
• Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
• Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
• Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

 

[Runwildboys]

His scouting report coming out of college when it came to weaknesses surprisingly are still basically the same 6 years later.

• Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
• Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
• Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
• Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
• Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
• Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
• Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
• Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
• Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
• Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
• Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
• Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
• Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
• Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

Wow, it's almost like you wrote that! Lol. No mention of jumping throws? Guess that's covered under poor footwork.

 

[john van brocklin]

His scouting report coming out of college when it came to weaknesses surprisingly are still basically the same 6 years later.

• Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
• Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
• Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
• Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
• Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
• Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
• Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
• Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
• Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
• Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
• Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
• Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
• Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
• Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

That's our Dak!

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

I don't recall, but were those characteristics in his scouting reports?

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dak-prescott/32005052-4528-5723-d1b2-96e92ebc1241

 

[thunderpimp91]

Granted it's been several years now, but I don't remember a ton of people being upset by the Dak pick at the time....maybe i'm wrong? Dak's rookie year he was a bus driver who showed flashes of more. He had a really good offense around him that worked well with Dak playing within the system and finding the open receiver.

Dak didn't really have too much of an issue until the team asked him to do more and more, and I think that is the issue MOST of the "Dak haters" have. There are some true Dak haters around here who dislike the guy simply because he forced Romo into retirement and wasnt their guy, but I think most are pretty level headed and acknowledge that Dak is a good QB, but struggles to be that guy who can pick his team up and put them on his back against stronger competition.

If the Cowboys still had that 2016 Oline and would actually stick to a run-first approach Dak is probably not injured right now, and thriving. Reality is though you can't pay your QB top money, RB top money, WR top money and still keep your Oline a top unit. Especially now with Cooper gone, Collins gone, and resources going to build up the defense more so than continuing to build up an offensive powerhouse Dak hasn't produced to the level of play where you look at him as a super bowl caliber QB. We see constantly that it becomes very difficult for QBs to make it to Super bowls after they take on that big pay day. Brady has taken less money and won several. Mahomes made two super bowls on a rookie deal, now we are seeing him lose his top weapon in Hill. Rodgers is a first ballot hall of fame player, but cant make it back and has looked pretty average so far without an elite receiver.

I don't have an issue with Dak, he's a player you can win with. I do have an issue with the contract Jerry signed him to. It's a handicap for a team that has already made several other poor decisions with the Zeke deal, Jaylon Smith deal, etc. With guys we need to start thinking about resigning the next couple years in Diggs, Parsons, maybe even a Lamb I think you need to be open minded to other solutions if Dak wants to reset the QB market after his current deal is up. I'm all for Dak leading this team, but does Dak at $40MM give you more of a chance to win vs a Marcus Mariota at $8MM? Depends on if Jerry/Stephen actually spend the money and do it well which is another thread that can go on for days and days.

 

[aikemirv]

His scouting report coming out of college when it came to weaknesses surprisingly are still basically the same 6 years later.

• Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
• Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
• Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
• Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
• Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
• Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
• Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
• Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
• Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
• Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
• Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
• Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
• Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
• Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

Alarmingly accurate all around -this one stands out since so many here think he is a mobile QB - "Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner"

 

[McKDaddy]

Sorry but you are either trying to trap people who respond or you are looking for short answer to a complex question.

If it's the latter, there is no one size fits all answer. It's generally concern with several areas of a player's game that collectively causes doubt about their ability to clean it up. I can say for sure is QB analysis is more complex than just looking at stats.

 

[aikemirv]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dak-prescott/32005052-4528-5723-d1b2-96e92ebc1241

• Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw

One of my main complaints with his play - I think it is just highlighted because Romo was just so good at moving around the pocket!

 

[Vtwin]

For all the posters claiming they have known Daks shortcomings since day one...(bad at reading or defeating zone; less than ideal arm; cant read, manipulate or process the defense fast enough; inaccurate throws...

Just odd that there is a swelling of people claiming this was all obvious.

So I pose this question: Tell us who in the college ranks doesnt have these problems and will pan out in the Pro's. There are lots of college QB's to choose from so this cant be too hard. Surely you knew it with Dak so now you can tell us the future.

There is a big difference between 'early on' and "day 1".

I did tell you the future early on... and here we are.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Alarmingly accurate all around -this one stands out since so many here think he is a mobile QB - "Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner"

He's always looked awkward and clumsy when running to me.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

• Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw

One of my main complaints with his play - I think it is just highlighted because Romo was just so good at moving around the pocket!

I agree.This scouting report just seems so spot on,although Dak apologists will disagree.

 

[Ranching]

You lost me as soon as I saw your user name.

Jerry Lewis?

 

[Toro9]

For all the posters claiming they have known Daks shortcomings since day one...(bad at reading or defeating zone; less than ideal arm; cant read, manipulate or process the defense fast enough; inaccurate throws...

Just odd that there is a swelling of people claiming this was all obvious.

So I pose this question: Tell us who in the college ranks doesnt have these problems and will pan out in the Pro's. There are lots of college QB's to choose from so this cant be too hard. Surely you knew it with Dak so now you can tell us the future.

Try not to over-compensate. Dak is an NFL QB. Justin Fields is NOT. Davis Mills is not. We can win with Dak but he's not someone who can carry the team.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I agree.This scouting report just seems so spot on,although Dak apologists will disagree.

What would the Dak apologist say to disput it? I mean he has started in the NFL for multiple seasons..how could they disput what has happened? Are you saying his play in the NFL has not been equal to what that report says? how would they show that?