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[xwalker]

For all the posters claiming they have known Daks shortcomings since day one...(bad at reading or defeating zone; less than ideal arm; cant read, manipulate or process the defense fast enough; inaccurate throws...

Just odd that there is a swelling of people claiming this was all obvious.

So I pose this question: Tell us who in the college ranks doesnt have these problems and will pan out in the Pro's. There are lots of college QB's to choose from so this cant be too hard. Surely you knew it with Dak so now you can tell us the future.

The Cowboys were #1 in points scored and #1 in yards in 2021.
- They were #2 in passing yards (Tampa Bay was #1).

They did that while only being 17th in rushing TDs and 9th in rushing yards.

How did the Cowboys accomplish that with a "bad" QB?

 

[Flamma]

For all the posters claiming they have known Daks shortcomings since day one...(bad at reading or defeating zone; less than ideal arm; cant read, manipulate or process the defense fast enough; inaccurate throws...

Just odd that there is a swelling of people claiming this was all obvious.

So I pose this question: Tell us who in the college ranks doesnt have these problems and will pan out in the Pro's. There are lots of college QB's to choose from so this cant be too hard. Surely you knew it with Dak so now you can tell us the future.

Which is why I never brought that up. Every QB past the 1st round is going to have a list of flaws. Otherwise they wouldn't make it past the first round. Even some in the first round. The idea is to develop them into better QBs.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

The Cowboys were #1 in points scored and #1 in yards in 2021.
- They were #2 in passing yards (Tampa Bay was #1).

They did that while only being 17th in rushing TDs and 9th in rushing yards.

How did the Cowboys accomplish that with a "bad" QB?

Loaded up on stats vs. some very bad nfc east teams.

 

[aikemirv]

Oh they were right huh?

Average backup is what they said he was.....

7 years, ROY, Dozens of wins, a couple of NFC east championships, Cowboys passing records later....

They are wrong.

Every qb has weaknesses, this is no revelation.

They were right about his weaknesses- absolutely!

 

[Ken]

Loaded up on stats vs. some very bad nfc east teams.

Team went over 400 yards of offense 10 times last year.

Only 3 of them were against the east.

First Eagles game was 380.

Try again.

 

[Captain-Crash]

The Cowboys were #1 in points scored and #1 in yards in 2021.
- They were #2 in passing yards (Tampa Bay was #1).

They did that while only being 17th in rushing TDs and 9th in rushing yards.

How did the Cowboys accomplish that with a "bad" QB?

they did it with a great OC.

 

[FanofJerry]

3 pages in and not a single College prospect has been named. What a shame.

Its easy to look back and say I told you so...but hard to predict the future.

Its almost as if NFL QB is a hard problem to solve. Almost like a 6th round pick in the modern era can end up being the best to ever do it. Almost as if you witness a decent bus driver you are almost cornered into paying the guy since finding a serviceable one is a crap shoot...such a crap shoot that your competitors will pay the hot hand if you let them go.

 

[ghst187]

He's always looked awkward and clumsy when running to me.

that’s what made him so good in college and gave him NFL success…him running or at least the threat to run. Force him to be a pocket passer and it won’t go well. He needs to at least pose just enough of a threat to run to make his reads and throws easy. He’s not a surgeon that picks teams apart

 

[Shane612]

For all the posters claiming they have known Daks shortcomings since day one...(bad at reading or defeating zone; less than ideal arm; cant read, manipulate or process the defense fast enough; inaccurate throws...

Just odd that there is a swelling of people claiming this was all obvious.

So I pose this question: Tell us who in the college ranks doesnt have these problems and will pan out in the Pro's. There are lots of college QB's to choose from so this cant be too hard. Surely you knew it with Dak so now you can tell us the future.

Isn't reading defense an acquired skill? It can be learned.
Has #4 learned how in 7 years?

 

[Shane612]

Damn you, 89.

 

[FanofJerry]

Isn't reading defense an acquired skill? It can be learned.
Has #4 learned how in 7 years?

I just think its more complicated than that.

 

[Shane612]

Damn you, 73

 

[Shane612]

I just think its more complicated than that.

How so?
Either you have the aptitude to learn it or you dont.

 

[Qcard]

His scouting report coming out of college when it came to weaknesses surprisingly are still basically the same 6 years later.

• Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
• Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
• Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
• Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
• Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
• Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
• Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
• Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
• Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
• Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
• Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
• Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
• Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
• Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

Guess the below NFL Prospect from same 2016 Draft Class?
Weaknesses

• When rolling out, will float it a little too much when taking shots down the field
• Allows passing windows to close quickly when he short arms his release
• Needs a little more consistency on anticipatory throws outside the hash
• Will get caught locking in on target bringing secondary charging in to make a play on the ball
• Inconsistent footwork from the pocket
• Arm gets ahead of his feet even with time to come to balance
• Needs to pick up pace of his post-snap setup
• Has to put a little extra air on his field-side throws
• Can be a little flat with his downfield, touch throws
• Has to eliminate the occasional nonchalant throw into tight quarters
• Doesn't look comfortable yet with bootleg rollouts to the left
• Broke a bone in his throwing wrist in October sidelining him for eight weeks
• Dealt with arm and shoulder injuries as a baseball player in high school
• Lower level of competition could cause issues for him adapting to NFL speed

 

[Havic]

The NFL has caught on to what Dak can and cannot do. Dak has not adjusted to this and continues to struggle. Dak has not been the same since his ankle injury.

 

[FanofJerry]

How so?
Either you have the aptitude to learn it or you dont.

I think the team was behind him. You risk killing team morale by not paying Dak or moving on.

Dak could get bitter. No team wants their number one ball handler bitter.

You have other players trying to win not reset(think Tyron Smith or Zach Martin). Resetting can take years. Finding a serviceable QB can take years. Jerry is getting older.

Finding a serviceable QB is tough in the NFL. There is a reason why teams pay top dollar...they are rare and you are almost forced to go with hope on a players projection.

Fanbase.

Let a guy walk and he goes to your division rival and they win. You look like a fool.

Daks stats were good. Not turning the ball over was good.

Its just over simplifying things when you dont consider everything. Its easy as an internet GM...but not so much as a real GM.

 

[FanofJerry]

The NFL has caught on to what Dak can and cannot do. Dak has not adjusted to this and continues to struggle. Dak has not been the same since his ankle injury.

He got paid during the ankle rehabilitation or shortly after...how was the front office to know he would soon be figured out?

Kind of weird it took 6 years for professional defensive play callers.

 

[Shane612]

I think the team was behind him. You risk killing team morale by not paying Dak or moving on.

Dak could get bitter. No team wants their number one ball handler bitter.

You have other players trying to win not reset(think Tyron Smith or Zach Martin). Resetting can take years. Finding a serviceable QB can take years. Jerry is getting older.

Finding a serviceable QB is tough in the NFL. There is a reason why teams pay top dollar...they are rare and you are almost forced to go with hope on a players projection.

Fanbase.

Let a guy walk and he goes to your division rival and they win. You look like a fool.

Daks stats were good. Not turning the ball over was good.

Its just over simplifying things when you dont consider everything. Its easy as an internet GM...but not so much as a real GM.

Okay...generally speaking...fine....but what does all that have to do with my question?

 

[Havic]

He got paid during the ankle rehabilitation or shortly after...how was the front office to know he would soon be figured out?

Kind of weird it took 6 years for professional defensive play callers.

A good running game masks a lot of issues with the QB

 

[FanofJerry]

Okay...generally speaking...fine....but what does all that have to do with my question?

I think most are not great at it. If they were this would be easy. Its tough. There are so many factors. Maybe the zone defense is his downfall. I think we have to see if Dak is given a short leash to prove himself again.

With all these unknowns...my opinion...Dak should be given rest of this year and then put on a short leash next year. If his problems are as bad as all are making them out to be.