QB Scouts

[texbumthelife]

His scouting report coming out of college when it came to weaknesses surprisingly are still basically the same 6 years later.

• Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
• Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
• Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
• Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
• Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
• Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
• Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
• Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
• Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
• Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
• Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
• Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
• Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
• Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

Holy cow. That is absolutely all still accurate. That’s a little discouraging.

 

[texbumthelife]

• Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw

One of my main complaints with his play - I think it is just highlighted because Romo was just so good at moving around the pocket!

Yup. Dak’s pocket awareness is awful. People see a mobile QB and automatically think he’s gonna be great in all aspects of movement. But Dak is abysmal at the micro movements in the pocket a good QBs needs to have.

 

[Typhus]

His scouting report coming out of college when it came to weaknesses surprisingly are still basically the same 6 years later.

• Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
• Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
• Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
• Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
• Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
• Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
• Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
• Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
• Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
• Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
• Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
• Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
• Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
• Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

Well to be honest, that is about everything that defines our 160m per rockstar franchise QB.
Not bashing Dak, here we go another Dak festival thread, but seriously, I try and stay out of a lot of these shallow conversations when talking about Dak, because there is actually zero point.
This franchise is going to play their best hand, they should right? IDK maybe not, being a fan for very long time comes with some PTSD from early ninetys most recently.
Such a beautiful era, but I was born in the Staubach era, I used to wonder why I hated my best friend neighbor buddy because I was such a Steelers fan, and that really went down bad.
We used to throw large rocks at each other back in the day.

 

[Ken]

This is what we are stooping to now? Here is another that focuses on weaknesses...

• A level of scheme fit is necessary
• Below-average arm strength and average release quickness
• Tends to work into more condensed areas of the field
• Steep drop in accuracy on intermediate throws outside the numbers
• Requires top-notch timing for out-breaking throws as a pro
• Saw nose of ball dive on some throws field-side
• Spotty high/low combo throws against long boundary CBs when they play it low to high
• Scheme created clearer reads and easier one-on-one throws
• Took sacks he didn't need to

Obviously, these are not accurate as he has been highly successful in the pros.

 

[Typhus]

OK, for some reason I a m being blocked from editing a mistake,,, in my above post should be obvious hopefully

 

[TheCritic]

While I'm a big fan of these callout threads, the OP doesn't go far enough. He or she needs to brag more about their perfect record on being completely fair and objective. After all, if you going to scold and *****slap an audience, you have to set the standard for correct behavior. Just assume we are all Canadians and don't know any better. Mmmmmkay?

 

[5Stars]

This is what we are stooping to now? Here is another that focuses on weaknesses...

• A level of scheme fit is necessary
• Below-average arm strength and average release quickness
• Tends to work into more condensed areas of the field
• Steep drop in accuracy on intermediate throws outside the numbers
• Requires top-notch timing for out-breaking throws as a pro
• Saw nose of ball dive on some throws field-side
• Spotty high/low combo throws against long boundary CBs when they play it low to high
• Scheme created clearer reads and easier one-on-one throws
• Took sacks he didn't need to

Obviously, these are not accurate as he has been highly successful in the pros.

lmao! You have very low standards, dog!

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

What would the Dak apologist say to disput it? I mean he has started in the NFL for multiple seasons..how could they disput what has happened? Are you saying his play in the NFL has not been equal to what that report says? how would they show that?

Some weaknesses in the scouting report remain today.

 

[shabazz]

4th round was a good place to pick him…..he hasn’t disappointed it in any way.

would have been a sound backup for many years

 

[Rockport]

For all the posters claiming they have known Daks shortcomings since day one...(bad at reading or defeating zone; less than ideal arm; cant read, manipulate or process the defense fast enough; inaccurate throws...

Just odd that there is a swelling of people claiming this was all obvious.

So I pose this question: Tell us who in the college ranks doesnt have these problems and will pan out in the Pro's. There are lots of college QB's to choose from so this cant be too hard. Surely you knew it with Dak so now you can tell us the future.

 

[DFWJC]

He's done well, given where he was drafted.

I'll give him that

 

[Ken]

lmao! You have very low standards, dog!

It was Joe Burrow's weakness's.

Just wanted to show the Drrrrrrrrrrrr Qb experts they know nothing.

 

[Rockport]

Sorry but you are either trying to trap people who respond or you are looking for short answer to a complex question.

If it's the latter, there is no one size fits all answer. It's generally concern with several areas of a player's game that collectively causes doubt about their ability to clean it up. I can say for sure is QB analysis is more complex than just looking at stats.

I think his real point, and one I agree with, is there is NO ONE here that’s qualified to accurately judge a QB’s talents myself included. Most Zoners actually believe that every loss is on the QB and every win is a team win. Both Brady and Rogers were playing without their normal room of WR’s and did not play well. It takes a team to win including the coaches. Not just 1 player.

 

[Brax]

His scouting report coming out of college when it came to weaknesses surprisingly are still basically the same 6 years later.

• Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
• Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
• Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
• Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
• Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
• Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
• Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
• Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
• Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
• Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
• Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
• Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
• Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
• Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner

Close the tread . All done.

 

[aikemirv]

It was Joe Burrow's weakness's.

Just wanted to show the Drrrrrrrrrrrr Qb experts they know nothing.

See, you missed the point, we were talking about scouts that actually were right - not ones that were wrong!

 

[Brax]

I think his real point, and one I agree with, is there is NO ONE here that’s qualified to accurately judge a QB’s talents myself included. Most Zoners actually believe that every loss is on the QB and every win is a team win. Both Brady and Rogers were playing without their normal room of WR’s and did not play well. It takes a team to win including the coaches. Not just 1 player.

Neither one played well? You just can’t make this stuff up, lmao.

 

[john van brocklin]

Jerry Lewis?

He and Dean Martin were quite a pair.

 

[WarDaddy]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dak-prescott/32005052-4528-5723-d1b2-96e92ebc1241

This draft write up was an overall miss, being objective. They had him ranked as a 5.9 (average backup) but he turned out to be a day 1 starter and multiple time pro bowler. He should have been AT LEAST at 6.5 (boom or bust potential) just off the strength of what he accomplished at that school (Miss State) in that conference (SEC). He has only been outdone in recent years by Tebow and Newton. Dak getting a chance at the pro level was inevitable.

They definitely missed some of his important strengths AND his aptitude to improve. Totally missed the mark on his work ethic.

With that said…

Some of the weaknesses persist to this day. Here are a few that stuck out to me.

If he can clean this up, especially the last one (THIS is what derailed our season last year. It wasn’t the calf. THIS is was what Denver put a flashlight on…)

• Concern over pressure too often trumps ability to get through progressions
• Hyper aware of pressure around him and lacks awareness to slide and find temporary shelter to make throw
• Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense

Dak has a chance to truly be elite but he has to take what the defense gives him by squeezing some underneath throws into tight spots in the zone and being ok with a 10+ play drive.

He is so good at the intermediate and deep stuff and Kellen plays well to his strengths but you gotta be able to beat Cover 2 consistently with short throws. We have the talent to exploit those teams. Pollard and CeeDee should crush with YAC on short throws. Zeke too. Or he could just go back to his Miss State roots and run on 2nd and 3rd and short.

The offense would be a great compliment to the defense and we could truly make a run.

 

[john van brocklin]

Granted it's been several years now, but I don't remember a ton of people being upset by the Dak pick at the time....maybe i'm wrong? Dak's rookie year he was a bus driver who showed flashes of more. He had a really good offense around him that worked well with Dak playing within the system and finding the open receiver.

Dak didn't really have too much of an issue until the team asked him to do more and more, and I think that is the issue MOST of the "Dak haters" have. There are some true Dak haters around here who dislike the guy simply because he forced Romo into retirement and wasnt their guy, but I think most are pretty level headed and acknowledge that Dak is a good QB, but struggles to be that guy who can pick his team up and put them on his back against stronger competition.

If the Cowboys still had that 2016 Oline and would actually stick to a run-first approach Dak is probably not injured right now, and thriving. Reality is though you can't pay your QB top money, RB top money, WR top money and still keep your Oline a top unit. Especially now with Cooper gone, Collins gone, and resources going to build up the defense more so than continuing to build up an offensive powerhouse Dak hasn't produced to the level of play where you look at him as a super bowl caliber QB. We see constantly that it becomes very difficult for QBs to make it to Super bowls after they take on that big pay day. Brady has taken less money and won several. Mahomes made two super bowls on a rookie deal, now we are seeing him lose his top weapon in Hill. Rodgers is a first ballot hall of fame player, but cant make it back and has looked pretty average so far without an elite receiver.

I don't have an issue with Dak, he's a player you can win with. I do have an issue with the contract Jerry signed him to. It's a handicap for a team that has already made several other poor decisions with the Zeke deal, Jaylon Smith deal, etc. With guys we need to start thinking about resigning the next couple years in Diggs, Parsons, maybe even a Lamb I think you need to be open minded to other solutions if Dak wants to reset the QB market after his current deal is up. I'm all for Dak leading this team, but does Dak at $40MM give you more of a chance to win vs a Marcus Mariota at $8MM? Depends on if Jerry/Stephen actually spend the money and do it well which is another thread that can go on for days and days.

Very well thought out post.
Dak at 40 Mill a season is a large issue for most here.
I want to move on from him at that salary.
He is simply not worth it and hamstrings the rest of the team at that cap hit.

 

[Ken]

See, you missed the point, we were talking about scouts that actually were right - not ones that were wrong!

Oh they were right huh?

Average backup is what they said he was.....

7 years, ROY, Dozens of wins, a couple of NFC east championships, Cowboys passing records later....

They are wrong.

Every qb has weaknesses, this is no revelation.