QBs in playoff losses since 2000 and his own team's defense in those losses

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Now if we could only see it broken out by half. For example against Green Bay:

1st half:
13 of 19 for 87 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT (one pick 6, the other at his own 19)

2nd half:

28 of 41 for 316 yards, 2 TD and 0 INT

Kind of different EPA/play there, don't you think?

And honestly, he went 6-7 for 26 yards and a TD in the last two minutes of the first half after we were down 27-0 (14 of those points directly tied to his two interceptions).

Prior to that he was a wonderful 7 of 12 for 61 yards and 2 interceptions (in 28 minutes). In fact, the Packers had more interception yards than we had receiving before that last drive.

This is not his only playoff game like that.
 
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irishline said:
Now if we could only see it broken out by half. For example against Green Bay:

1st half:
13 of 19 for 87 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT (one pick 6, the other at his own 19)

2nd half:

28 of 41 for 316 yards, 2 TD and 0 INT

Kind of different EPA/plays there, don't you think?

And honestly, he went 6-7 for 26 yards and a TD in the last two minutes of the first half after we were down 27-0 (14 of those points directly tied to his two interceptions). Prior to that he was a wonderful 7 of 12 for 61 yards and 2 interceptions (in 28 minutes).

This is not the only playoff game like that.
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Agree. I'm all for looking at the deeper metrics, but context matters when looking at them. This number from Dak is likely bumped up significantly from the Green Bay game which was not a great performance, and the Tampa game which was a fantastic performance. He also has some total clunkers against SF where I'm sure his EPA/play is extremely low and likely in the negative.
 

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I have yet to have ONE Dak defender answer this question and I’ve ask it multiple times, how many games has he come back to win when being 10 points or more behind, at anytime in the game in his HOF career? Again…I’ll wait but again it will be crickets! He is the biggest choker in the history of the nfl.
 
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thunderpimp91 said:
Agree. I'm all for looking at the deeper metrics, but context matters when looking at them. This number from Dak is likely bumped up significantly from the Green Bay game which was not a great performance, and the Tampa game which was a fantastic performance. He also has some total clunkers against SF where I'm sure his EPA/play is extremely low and likely in the negative.
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Exactly. EPA/play doesn't at all tell the story of how the flow of the game went (just the end statistical result). And you are right, I am sure his best EPA playoff game was against a team with a losing record (Tampa Bay) that really shouldn't have been there.

That being said, I am not at all absolving the defense in this. Just pointing out that Dak had more than his hand in those losses.
 
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morat1959 said:
I have yet to have ONE Dak defender answer this question and I’ve ask it multiple times, how many games has he come back to win when being 10 points or more behind, at anytime in the game in his HOF career? Again…I’ll wait but again it will be crickets! He is the biggest choker in the history of the nfl.
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Philly in 2022 and Atlanta in 2020 are two that come to mind. I have no idea if there are more or not.
 
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morat1959 said:
I have yet to have ONE Dak defender answer this question and I’ve ask it multiple times, how many games has he come back to win when being 10 points or more behind, at anytime in the game in his HOF career? Again…I’ll wait but again it will be crickets! He is the biggest choker in the history of the nfl.
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Such a choker
 
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irishline said:
Now if we could only see it broken out by half. For example against Green Bay:

1st half:
13 of 19 for 87 yards, 1 TD and 2 INT (one pick 6, the other at his own 19)

2nd half:

28 of 41 for 316 yards, 2 TD and 0 INT

Kind of different EPA/play there, don't you think?

And honestly, he went 6-7 for 26 yards and a TD in the last two minutes of the first half after we were down 27-0 (14 of those points directly tied to his two interceptions).

Prior to that he was a wonderful 7 of 12 for 61 yards and 2 interceptions (in 28 minutes). In fact, the Packers had more interception yards than we had receiving before that last drive.

This is not the only playoff game like that.
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your right, and a good example of why you cant go by overall stats alone.

A qb needs a good defense, and good coaches, and a good GM to get to and win a SB.
Look at all the teams / QB's that lost in the playoffs this year and analyze why they lost.

I and some others think josh allen and buffalo lost mainly due to coaching errors, and maybe if their GM had added a key piece or 2 for
this year, maybe they beat KC.

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the phil GM has done a great job of adding pieces for this year, getting barclay is why they are in the SB, great addition, and coaches used
him alot and in the right way. KC is going to have to stop him somehow to have a chance to win their 3rd in a row.

Baltimore got henry, and did good, but wound up too low of a seed? and lost in playoffs, analyze that.
 
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morat1959 said:
2 in 9 years….HOF baby!
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Honestly I don't think coming back from 10+ points is all that common in this league.

I struggled to find additional data, but here are the 50 biggest comebacks from the Cowboys in franchise history. Only 39 times have they come back from more than 10 points down. It lists 11 comebacks of 10 points, but I'm not sure if its only 11 or the list just stops there? Either way the data surprised me a bit.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/comebacks.htm
 
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cowboys5xsbs said:
ok here in the context of what other qbs are

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This is a bit of a surprise to see where Hurts is. Teams that more run-oriented offenses tend to have a more difficult time recovering from two-score deficits. Hurts 45% success rate over a 20-game sample, only behind Mahomes and ahead of a number of QB's considered better than Hurts, is impressive. Not bad for a QB considered by some here to be trash. For the math-impaired, Dak is at 16.6%

Edit: 17% rounded up.
 
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